Large projects... to split or not to split

PacoDeCasa wrote on 12/10/2021, 4:16 AM

Hi all

Talking about large projects, as for example a travel vlog, with tour maps, expenses report and some other explanations....

What do you usually do about those extra items?, do you create extra projects and renders for including them in the final project?, or do you include all in the same final project?

In the case of using extra projects and renders... which format do you use for rendering and including in the final project?

 

Thanks!

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j-v wrote on 12/10/2021, 4:35 AM

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Dexcon wrote on 12/10/2021, 4:49 AM

In the past for my travelogues, I used to create Extras - like in commerial DVDs and BluRays - for stuff additional to the main travelogue. This was easily done by craeting separate project renders and then creating multiple buttons for each of those renders in the main menu of DVD Architect 6.0 If you don't have a version of DVDA (now long discontinued), that will make it very hard these days as DVD/BD authoring is not as popular these days largely due to the uptake in streaming. I don't do that anymore because no-one but me is going to watch the extras.

I edit my travelogues (which have taken a break for some reason over the last 21 months) in chronological order, and will often include a quick route map to show major distances travelled mostly by air travel.

Explanations are covered by VO narration, and personally I'd never include the trip budget in the project. If you mean entrance fees to museums, attractions, etc, I suggest to just to use a quick title in the main project or a mention in the narration.

Original video is usually 4K from a Sony FDR-AX100, GoPro and a Samsung phone, but rendering is to AVC 1920x1080 25 fps for use in DVD Architect - sadly DVDA only accepts interlaced for 25 fps, not progressive.

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PacoDeCasa wrote on 12/10/2021, 4:52 AM

Yes, I know about that.... but in the past I had many problems with crashing on large projects... a mess of video tracks (I know you can collapse them too).. and I'm thinking about creating extra projects with routes for all the vlog chapters.... and so on...

PacoDeCasa wrote on 12/10/2021, 4:56 AM

In the past for my travelogues, I used to create Extras - like in commerial DVDs and BluRays - for stuff additional to the main travelogue. This was easily done by craeting separate project renders and then creating multiple buttons for each of those renders in the main menu of DVD Architect 6.0 If you don't have a version of DVDA (now long discontinued), that will make it very hard these days as DVD/BD authoring is not as popular these days largely due to the uptake in streaming. I don't do that anymore because no-one but me is going to watch the extras.

I edit my travelogues (which have taken a break for some reason over the last 21 months) in chronological order, and will often include a quick route map to show major distances travelled mostly by air travel.

Explanations are covered by VO narration, and personally I'd never include the trip budget in the project. If you mean entrance fees to museums, attractions, etc, I suggest to just to use a quick title in the main project or a mention in the narration.

Original video is usually 4K from a Sony FDR-AX100, GoPro and a Samsung phone, but rendering is to AVC 1920x1080 25 fps for use in DVD Architect - sadly DVDA only accepts interlaced for 25 fps, not progressive.

I dont mean extras as DVD... I mean that route maps, travel expenses, some extra content that you didnt record during the trim (for example, "how to get tickets for the shinkansen" )....

That extra clips maybe use extra video tracks only for them... and the final project is a mess of complexity... so I'm thinking about creating extra project for that content, render in apple prores format and include the rendered clip in the final project as a clip...

 

Dexcon wrote on 12/10/2021, 5:04 AM

@PacoDeCasa  ... you asked a broad issue in which included the question "What do you usually do about those extra items?" This is what I outlined in my response. It would have been preferable if your question was fully thought out and fully explained to avoid getting responses that don't meet your expectations. Sheesh!

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 & 21, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 18.5, BCC 2023.5, Mocha Pro 2023, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

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PacoDeCasa wrote on 12/10/2021, 5:13 AM

@PacoDeCasa  ... you asked a broad issue in which included the question "What do you usually do about those extra items?" This is what I outlined in my response. It would have been preferable if your question was fully thought out and fully explained to avoid getting responses that don't meet your expectations. Sheesh!

Sorry!!!, you are right!!!

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2021, 5:21 AM

How large?

  • Number of hours?
  • Resolution and bitrate of source footage?

Those are the things that can eat up resources, slow you down, and sometimes cause crashes.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

PacoDeCasa wrote on 12/10/2021, 5:37 AM

How large?

  • Number of hours?
  • Resolution and bitrate of source footage?

Those are the things that can eat up resources, slow you down, and sometimes cause crashes.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

Each chapter has about 150 clips, 40-50 minutes of original footage to 3-4 minutes maximum final result.

All original files are in 4k, some 30fps, some 120fps, from mavic, gopro 10, a7r3.

That does not sound too much for one single project, but if you start adding titles, maps, texts, another resources, sound effects... the project is a little mess of tracks.

I usually use single project, but for this time I was thinking about creating the extra content included in the chapter using external projects and pre-rendered files... should it be easier for editing/updating?

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2021, 12:50 PM

I think you would do well to learn about project Nesting.

Search the forum, tutorials, and internet resources.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/got-questions-consult-the-tutorials-first-please--120282/

walter-i. wrote on 12/10/2021, 2:05 PM

I also use Nesting for my trip reports, which I create in manageable chapters (about 10-15 minutes, for example: Intro, Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, etc, Outro) and put together at the end with Nesting.
Have always done well with it. 

rraud wrote on 12/10/2021, 2:20 PM

nesting.. +11

3POINT wrote on 12/11/2021, 4:24 AM

Only disadvantage of Nesting is the extended rendering time. Can be sometimes double of the time needed when just rendering directly.

diverG wrote on 12/11/2021, 5:41 AM

Can understand the OP's concerns. A little reading/tutorials, then set up a dedicated folder to to take the project .veg files plus make use of the 'advanced save' found in 'Tools'. Anything over an hour, split at 'natural, breaks. Never looked back.

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