no 10 bit?

vespertine wrote on 8/25/2020, 10:02 AM

i imported a 4k 10 bit 4.2.2 hevc file from my fuji xt3 and now when i want to render it to a 10 bit 4.2.2 h.264 MP4 i see the chroma sub sampling options dis highlighted.....can someone tell me how to get those un-dis highlighted so i can render my file as 4k 4.2.2 10 bit MP4 H.264? im using V pro 17

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Yelandkeil wrote on 8/25/2020, 11:33 AM

1, use the ACESpace for cutting; 2, use the right codecs for rendering.

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Musicvid wrote on 8/25/2020, 11:47 AM

You can do that in Voukoder x264, but playing and distributing it will be a different matter. Hi422p profile support in h264 is scarce in the wild.

On the other hand, HEVC / x265 is now almost universally supported, and many playback systems can keep up with it.

vespertine wrote on 8/25/2020, 1:02 PM

lol all i want to do is convert my hevc 10 bit 4.2.2 MOV file,,, to H.264 10 bit 4.2.2 MP4 im going to buy an atomos ninja inferno that records in H.264 4.2.2 10 bit so i dont have to bother with all this conversion nonsense but in the mean time i need to find out how to get it to do that simple thing which is just to convert this file to H.264 10 bit 4.2.2 are you saying that vegas is incapable of doing this? i dont know why there would BE a chroma sub sampling box with a 4.2.2 and 10 bit check box if they are just gonna dis highlight it when you need to use it....makes no sense

Musicvid wrote on 8/25/2020, 1:37 PM

Voukoder is a free codec extension for Vegas. Do let us know how it works for you. Happy Otter Scripts will also do this. For the compatibility reasons I mentioned, I still recomend HEVC 10 bit 422, not h264.

im going to buy an atomos ninja inferno that records in H.264 4.2.2 10 bit 

Perhaps you can point out where it says Atmos Ninja Inferno records or plays back h264 10 bit 422. That would be an extremely odd acquisition format. The literature I found says only ProRes and DNxHR, both in MOV format.

Did you know you can change the MOV extension to MP4 and it will still play back?

vespertine wrote on 8/25/2020, 2:51 PM

right i will record in DNXHRQX 400 mbit 10 bit 4.2.2 when i get the ninja but my camera will still be set to H.264 the fuji xt3 wont let you get both the 10 bit AND the 4.2.2 in H.264 they force you to set it to hevc which i hate..so hence im going to get the ninja but i have this file that was shot in hevc and its a nightmare to work with so im trying to figure out why in the world vegas dis-highlights the chroma subsampling options when those are the very ones i need...i dont want to convert my 10 bit video to 8 bit nor do i want to go from 4.2.2 to 4.2.0 so if vegas cant do that ill just have to keep hunting for a more capable software

MrBender wrote on 8/25/2020, 3:23 PM

Edius can handle and export H.264 4.2.2 10 bit

Marco. wrote on 8/25/2020, 3:46 PM

@vespertine
"in the mean time i need to find out how to get it to do that simple thing which is just to convert this file to H.264 10 bit 4.2.2"

In Vegas Pro you'd get this by using "Sony XAVC" from a floating point project. Though this creates a MXF wrapper, not MP4.
The access to the MP4 options via Magix AVC may depend on the grafic hardware used.

Musicvid wrote on 8/25/2020, 8:17 PM

the fuji xt3 wont let you get both the 10 bit AND the 4.2.2 in H.264 they force you to set it to hevc which i hate..

So, after all the diversion, you got around to telling us what your real problem is -- you don't like the way HEVC handles in Vegas on your system, and you think (probably correctly), that h264 will handle better.

The only thing that is remarkable about your story is that you have not availed yourself of practically any of the training, resources, or tools already available to solve your problem -- the correct way.

Here is some basic vocabulary for you to start with - making a lossy intermediate for editing from an obscure interframe codec is not a solution. Did you pause to think their "might" a reason your camera doesn't shoot HI422p profile x264? Maybe because it's scarce as hens' teeth? Then what? Another lossy encode for delivery? The solution you settled on doesn't really exist in the mainstream millieu. These do:

  • Proxy Render
  • Lossless Intermediate
  • Transcode to an actual archive format (aka ProRes, AVI 10 bit 422 YUV, HQX, XAVC).

Start here, and the well worn learning paths already traveled will make your eventual course much clearer. Welcome to the forum. Your thinking is admirable, your chosen entry point in the learning curve is maddening.

Oh, posting your system specs is helpful.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/got-questions-consult-the-tutorials-first-please--120282/

 

Former user wrote on 8/25/2020, 8:56 PM

i imported a 4k 10 bit 4.2.2 hevc file from my fuji xt3 and now when i want to render it to a 10 bit 4.2.2 h.264 MP4 i see the chroma sub sampling options dis highlighted.....can someone tell me how to get those un-dis highlighted so i can render my file as 4k 4.2.2 10 bit MP4 H.264? im using V pro 17

I don't believe your camera even records 4:2:2 internally. That might be the problem. Was there a firmware update that made it possible?

fr0sty wrote on 8/25/2020, 9:45 PM

Lenard is right, your camera cannot record 4:2:2 video internally, only via HDMI output. For editing 4:2:2 formats, you're best not using either AVC or HEVC, but rather an intermediate like ProRes, which your atomos recorder will do for you.

VEGAS renders 4:2:2 10 bit to certain formats (XAVC-I and Magix Intermediate), but those 2 formats are the only 2 that also support 10 bit from VEGAS. I'm not sure they ever fixed the frame server capabilities for VEGAS to support 10 bit output to apps like Voukoder or HOS, so that approach may not work. I know previously it was limited to 8 bit. As Musicvid mentions, it's VERY rare to see 4:2:2 10 bit AVC anywhere, much less in VEGAS Pro.

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vespertine wrote on 8/26/2020, 1:09 AM

Fr0sty my X-T3 CAN record 10 bit 4.2.2 internally.....but ONLY if I set it to HEVC and LogGOP......so it forced me to do that.....now I want to transcode it to H.264 MP4 10 bit 4.2.2 so that ittl actually work in my video editor...once I get my ninja inferno I wont have this problem because ill be recording to DNXHRQX 10 bit 4.2.2 400mbit which works beautifully in premiere pro.....hopefully vegas will be able to handle it as well

fr0sty wrote on 8/26/2020, 1:48 AM

That's the problem, it won't work well in your editor, it won't play well on your computer at all... you're much better off converting it to a 10 bit intermediate format at 4:2:2 instead.

fr0sty wrote on 8/26/2020, 1:50 AM

Also, I can't find anything confirming your camera does record 4:2:2 internally. Every site I can find says 4:2:2 is HDMI only, including Fuji's own site.

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Former user wrote on 8/26/2020, 2:44 AM

Fr0sty my X-T3 CAN record 10 bit 4.2.2 internally.....but ONLY if I set it to HEVC and LogGOP......so it forced me to do that....

Is it possible you think 10bit is another term for 4:2:2, and you know your camera can do 10bit via HEVC i, so you think it can do 4:2:2 internally? just check file with media info. Anyway lets say it's 10bit 4:2:0 , You can use handbrake if you want to convert and encode to the 10bit H.264 option

fr0sty wrote on 8/26/2020, 3:39 AM

VEGAS does 10 bit 4:2:0 h264 if you export as HDR.

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Musicvid wrote on 8/26/2020, 10:19 AM

It's SO easy to test one's assumptions, before they become indelible, exclusive personal beliefs.

1. This is ProRes 10 bit 4:2:2. Vegas opens it straightaway. So does Premiere Pro, FCP, Media Composer, Resolve, and every other professional NLE one could think of. It is the oldest, most universal Digital Intermediate format in existence. Atmos Ninja records and plays ProRes 10 bit 4:2:2 natively. Vegas imports it natively without a second intermediate. Why on earth hasn't it been mentioned?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13nwZ4TMJqUw2gIqGtgxYR-aD6Zh4OxM3/view?usp=sharing

2. This is Hi422p Profile x264. It is an obscure, lossy, delivery format that never made it out of the swamp because HEVC was already in use. It is totally unsuitable for intermediate use, IOW complete silliness. Does it open without a green screen in Vegas 18? Why would one use a second generation lossy intermediate rather than the pristine original recording in any editor?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WhSYDv9rNQlz75weFxBIrYURe3hz7jyO/view?usp=sharing

Denial is a funny thing. Its illusion exists in spite of all other evidence, meaning it is exclusively self-invested.

vespertine wrote on 8/26/2020, 10:50 PM

why the hell would I use prores when I hate apple. pro res is for crapple not PC....im going to use DNXHQX. ok so I see that vegas is crap and cant do a simple task so, bye bye vegas and bye bye this idiotic forum ( deleting account)   tata!  idiots

RogerS wrote on 8/26/2020, 11:13 PM

why the hell would I use prores when I hate apple. pro res is for crapple not PC....im going to use DNXHQX. ok so I see that vegas is crap and cant do a simple task so, bye bye vegas and bye bye this idiotic forum ( deleting account)   tata!  idiots

Despite your best efforts its seems that you learned something and are planning to use a proper intermediate format instead of h.264 4:2:2. So I guess that's progress.

I don't use any Apple products but a standard is a standard, so I do use Magix Intermediate. Just a tool, nothing to get all excited about.

Former user wrote on 8/26/2020, 11:23 PM

I guess he hasn't deleted his account.

Musicvid wrote on 8/26/2020, 11:34 PM

why the hell would I use prores when I hate apple. pro res is for crapple not PC....im going to use DNXHQX. ok so I see that vegas is crap and cant do a simple task so, bye bye vegas and bye bye this idiotic forum ( deleting account)   tata!  idiots

Woops, before spouting more nonsense and cursing at me for trying you educate you despite your reluctant learning style, you had better be really sure you have your facts straight.

DNxHR LE is a MOV codec for Apple FCP and Media Composer. The difference is that unlike ProRes, there is no 64 bit version for Windows. Instead, it uses an obsolete, 32 bit Quicktime version for Windows that was finally abandoned in 2016. Try editing your 4k in that. You are making all of this up as you go, paying no attention to facts, nor to any of the resources being offered to you. Instead, you are being defiant, rude, vulgar, and antisocial. And painfully immature.

I completely support your choice to leave, and yet I won't rule out a return once you've grown up a little. This is not social media, and you are 100% out of line, and 100% wrong in your fantasies.

Just in case you don't follow through on your promise, I have reported you for your attack and hostile language. You have disrespected working professionals with over 100 years of combined experience, and I for one, will not tolerate it. You've blown it.

fr0sty wrote on 8/26/2020, 11:56 PM

why the hell would I use prores when I hate apple. pro res is for crapple not PC....im going to use DNXHQX. ok so I see that vegas is crap and cant do a simple task so, bye bye vegas and bye bye this idiotic forum ( deleting account)   tata!  idiots

We told you several different formats that work for your purpose far better than the format you wanted to render to, but you were too ignorant to realize that the one you wanted to render to was a bad choice. That's your fault for being willfully ignorant, not VEGAS' for not supporting a format that no other NLE encodes to either.

You didn't delete your account... but don't worry, I will.