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Musicvid wrote on 11/22/2018, 3:48 PM

Those are used with 10 bit source in a Float environment.

Not available in 8 bit integer projects.

James Moore wrote on 11/22/2018, 4:02 PM

ahhh, it only frees up under 32-bit floating point (full range) I stopped checking at video ranges. TX!

I am working with some renderings off of Resolve and I'm having some picture issues. I think it is the gamma 2.4 that it was rendered in. Even when I un grey it there is no option for 2.4 in Vegas. It also says "compositing gamma" - is that a different kind of 'gamma' or use of gamma?

James Moore wrote on 11/23/2018, 10:54 AM

While researching the issues I am having with the footage that came from resolve I came across references to lots of discussion on this matter in the past. Musicvid, you were Musicvid10 I presume? I tried to follow the links to past discussion but they lead to 'the archive' and I can't seem to find the threads in the archive.

The basic problem I am having is that the footage rendered out of resolve looks great in Resolve. The Resolve render is setup to 'video' levels. The resulting render, when loaded into Vegas, looks great though, yes, I can see on the scope that the blacks are below 0. Vegas displays the video file just as Resolve does. VLC also plays back the footage and it looks as it did from resolve but when I render out of Vegas a Magix HVC mp4 the blacks get all messed up ( similar to what applying the broadcast color filter with studio rgb 16-235 selected does to the Vegas output look).

So, in short, do we need to go back to Resolve and re-color to get the blacks up or is it possible to get Vegas Pro to pass the footage through it's render pipeline so that it appears as it displays in Vegas, and VLC, and Resolve)? This footage is not going to broadcast at this point.

Musicvid wrote on 11/23/2018, 11:19 AM

If your footage is 8-bit, Compositing in 32 bit float can't fix anything.

Please post your file properties for further help.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

James Moore wrote on 11/23/2018, 12:49 PM

Thanks for your time on this Musicvid!

I went into resolve and rendered out 3 versions all using data at video levels in Resolve.

YUV10bit, YUV8bit, and RGB10bit.

When I place the two YUV's on a Vegas timeline the resulting display output looks as if the blacks have been raised higher than what the display looked like in Resolve. The RGB file, however, looks in the Vegas display just like the Resolve display (Resolve uses a Blackmagic Mini Monitor for output Vegas the computer graphics card).

When I render the 3 files to an MP4 the two YUV files, when played back in VLC look just like the Resolve output. The RGB file has the blacks crushed.

 

General
Complete name                            : M:\Clients\See You Tomorrow\Final2\YUV8bitVideoLevel.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 862 MiB
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 799 Mb/s
TCOD                                     : 36597811249

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : HDYC
Codec ID                                 : HDYC
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate                                 : 795 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 16.000
Time code of first frame                 : 01:00:56:03 / 01:00:56:03
Time code source                         : Adobe tc_A / Adobe tc_O
Stream size                              : 858 MiB (100%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.66 MiB (0%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 42  ms (1.00 video frame)

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General
Complete name                            : M:\Clients\See You Tomorrow\Final2\YUV10bitVideoLevel.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 1.12 GiB
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 1 064 Mb/s
TCOD                                     : 36597811249

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : YUV
Codec ID                                 : v210
Codec ID/Hint                            : AJA Video Systems Xena
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate                                 : 1 061 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 21.333
Time code of first frame                 : 01:00:56:03 / 01:00:56:03
Time code source                         : Adobe tc_A / Adobe tc_O
Stream size                              : 1.12 GiB (100%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.66 MiB (0%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 42  ms (1.00 video frame)

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General
Complete name                            : M:\Clients\See You Tomorrow\Final2\RGB10bitVideoLevel.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 1.68 GiB
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 1 594 Mb/s
TCOD                                     : 36597811249

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : r210
Codec ID                                 : r210
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate                                 : 1 591 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 31.999
Time code of first frame                 : 01:00:56:03 / 01:00:56:03
Time code source                         : Adobe tc_A / Adobe tc_O
Stream size                              : 1.68 GiB (100%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 9 s 51 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 1.66 MiB (0%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 42  ms (1.00 video frame)

Musicvid wrote on 11/23/2018, 1:58 PM

Vegas previews in RGB colorspace. Thats why some corrections are necessary with YUV source. They are not made via the Compositing mode.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-why-does-my-video-have-more-contrast-than-the-vegas-preview--104567/

James Moore wrote on 11/23/2018, 3:19 PM

Thank you very much for this information!