Render at 30FPS or project settings?

Rednroll wrote on 6/20/2019, 9:00 AM

I'm sure this is a newb question for many of you.

I shot some video at 1080p 30FPS. Did some quick cut and splice in vegas and want to render it back out at 1080 30FPS, using x264 encoding into a MP4 file. Looking through the built-in templates, I selected Formats "MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4" > Templates > Internet HD 1080p 29.97 fps. I did not see a Internet HD 1080p 30 fps option. So I thought I would be able to customize the template and select 30 fps instead but I couldn't. I went ahead and rendered at 29.97 fps and I'm sure as many of you may already know, my render had dropped frames and I'm guessing that's because my project and media was at 30fps and I'm going to 29.97 fps.

I'm an audio guy where things like this in video I've always struggled to understand. In audio I record at 48Khz or 44.1Khz sampling rates, I render at the same sampling rate to reduce any audio loss but attempting to do the same in video boggles my mind. Please help.

So how do I render at 30fps, or is there an option to render at the project settings which is at (1920x1080, 30.000 fps)?

 

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Marco. wrote on 6/20/2019, 9:07 AM

In the Magix AVC render window try setting the encoding mode to "MainConcept AVC/ACC", then for the frame rate type "30" manually and save that preset. This works fine here.

Rednroll wrote on 6/20/2019, 9:33 AM

In the Magix AVC render window try setting the encoding mode to "MainConcept AVC/ACC", then for the frame rate type "30" manually and save that preset. This works fine here.


Thanks Marco! That worked. It rendered at 30FPS.

Originally, I just looked at the available drop-down selection frame rates and thought those were my only options. I saw 50FPS, where I was thinking 30FPS and 60FPS seem to be common frame rates for internet uploads and didn't realize I could manually type in the frame rate setting.

I saved the template and just finished re-rendering the video.....but I'm still seeing dropped frame stuttering. So frustrating when what you watch the video inside of Vegas on a video preview monitor in real-time playback and then it doesn't match what you actually get once you render. What the heck?

Marco. wrote on 6/20/2019, 9:36 AM

Are you sure your source video is 30 fps and not actually 29,97 and only labeled as "30 fps"?

Rednroll wrote on 6/20/2019, 10:09 AM

Good question. I'm unsure how to get that answer. I know on the camera I shot it with I selected 1080p@30FPS.

Then I opened those files in VLC player and checked the codec info which said they were 30FPS. When I dragged the files into Vegas I selected to have Vegas adjust project settings to source file. Checked Vegas project settings which showed 30FPS. Unsure how to check any further than that.

On the rendered files, I again checked the codec info in VLC player as a sanity check which showed 30FPS.

I ended up re-rendering the file again and this time around, no dropped frames. I'm really glad it's only a 60 second video. That would have been pretty frustrating on anything longer.

rraud wrote on 6/20/2019, 10:21 AM

30 fps but actually is 29,97 and only labeled as "30 fps.

I would assume this.

The "stuttering" could be a PC/player app issue. For instance, on a lecture series I edit, a nested title page (white text on black BG) shuddered on fade-out.. but everything else was perfectly normal. After much aggravation and hand wringing, I discovered it was my my PC and combination with the video players .. with the standard Windows Media Player and MPC . VLC and Win 10's 'Movies & TV' were perfect. Playback on YT, Vimeo.. and on other computers (with the same windows media players) were perfect

To add to the confusion, all the codecs in Sony AVC and Magix AVC (Intel qsv and NV) resulted in the same stutter. The Main Concept codec rendered file, did not display a stutter on playback. Neither did renders via HOS as I recall.

Musicvid wrote on 6/20/2019, 10:35 AM

A good question.

Most 30 fps is 29.97.

Most 60 fps is 59.94

Some 24 fps is 23.976

The way you will know the true difference:

1. MediaInfo is usually right.

2. If you will count up your true 30p timeline exactly 1000 frames, and the next media frame is a dupe, blend, or interpolation, then the media is really 29.97.

3. You can always consider yourself safe at NTSC numbers (29.97, 59.94 23.976), because worst case, the occasional dropped frame won't get noticed.

Rednroll wrote on 6/20/2019, 3:36 PM

30 fps and not actually 29,97 and only labeled as "30 fps.

I would assume this.

The "stuttering" could be a PC/player app issue. For instance, on a lecture series I edit, a nested title page (white text on black BG) shuddered on fade-out.. but everything else was perfectly normal. After much aggravation and hand wringing, I discovered it was my my PC and combination with the video players .. with the standard Windows Media player and MPC . VidLan and Win 'Movies & TV' were fine. Playback on YT, Vimeo.. and on other computers (with the same players) were perfect

To add to the confusion, all the codecs in Sony AVC and Magix AVC (Intel qsv and NV) did this. Main Concept however did not. Neither did renders via HOS, btw.

Good point about the player. After posting my question I was starting to consider that as well. The odd thing for me was that it always seemed to have the dropped frame at the exact same location in the video. Around 28 seconds of a 68 second long video.

To double check it, I had the Vegas project open and VLC Player, playing back the rendered file. So I kept playing back in Vegas around the 28 second area, where I observed no dropped frame. I thought that maybe I did an edit that wasn't as good as it could be, but not edits at that point. Then I kept playing back the file in VLC and always when I reached 28 seconds I would see a jump/drop frame in the video. So since it always occurred at the exact same place while playing it back in VLC player, I assumed it had to be that way in the rendered file.

F'ing video editing. I tell ya, every time I try to do more work with video....I'm always running into things like this where I feel I'm spending more time trouble shooting stuff like this, than actually working on the project I'm trying to edit together.

 

Musicvid wrote on 6/20/2019, 5:54 PM

From that description, I assume you have 29.970, or actually 30*(1000/1001).