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Musicvid wrote on 1/3/2018, 10:27 AM

What exactly is "not working" for you?

Be precise about each step.

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:01 PM

thanx for your concern.

i tried various templates and customize them with frame rate 50 but when render start it crash and give error

its working with any other mp4 format like SONY AVC AND XAVC

But i need in Main Concept MPEG-2 in 1920x1080 p with 50 frame rate in progressive mode

because my footage is also same specs from Sony a7s camera

the reason why i need in MPEG 2 its very resaonable

rendering speed

quality

not my any effect loose its quality and frame problems,

hope you got my point

i upload image with error showing

 

Marco. wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:12 PM

Sony a7 recording HD video as MPEG-2? Are you sure?

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:14 PM

we can say this is not possible in vegas pro because i saw in edius software ( grass Velly )

so why not sony update this thing in their software???

i think in premiere pro also we can render in mpeg 2 50 p

any idea

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:15 PM

Sony a7 recording HD video as MPEG-2? Are you sure?


yes bro ,m2t files

 

Former user wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:35 PM

Why is your project set for 720p if your source is 1080p?

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/3/2018, 12:45 PM

the image i upload this is example of only error

 

 

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/3/2018, 1:04 PM

hi nick hope you are the grand master of Vegas pro can you help me for this

i need specially in MPEG -2 because there is two benefit

i got render speed in MPEG format

its good for burning DVD

and playable for many LED ,LCD panels directly/

thnx

Marco. wrote on 1/3/2018, 1:05 PM

While M2T is an MPEG-2 transport stream container it actually does not carry MPEG-2 compressed video but AVCHD or XAVC-S. So you would be fine to use MainConcept AVC, Sony AVC, Magix AVC or Sony XAVC-S instead.

Former user wrote on 1/3/2018, 1:07 PM

Well, I am confused. You cannot burn 1080 50p to a DVD. So what is your required end?

Marco. wrote on 1/3/2018, 1:13 PM

There should be no need to use M2T as this is just the container. Use whatever container makes sense to carry AVCHD or XAVC-S which is what the Sony a7 records.

Former user wrote on 1/3/2018, 1:42 PM

Well, I am confused. You cannot burn 1080 50p to a DVD. So what is your required end?

Bluray disc

Maybe so but the OP does not say that. They said a DVD.

john_dennis wrote on 1/3/2018, 4:21 PM

"...so why not sony update this thing in their software???"

1) Sony no longer owns Vegas Pro.

2) The licensed Mainconcept encoder will encode 50p up to 1280x720 with a custom template but not 1920x1080.

3) No one else in the world but you cares about Full HD MPEG-2 50P.

4) Other, more current, encoders do as good or better job at delivering quality video. You may have to spend some money on processing equipment to use them.

Your premise that MPEG-2 will deliver a more faithful rendition from your MPEG-2 source is flawed unless you are one of the unicorns that see the message "No Recompression Required". Vegas decodes the timeline to an uncompressed format internally that destroys any affinity between the source or output encoders. 

Marco. wrote on 1/3/2018, 4:29 PM

Though his source isn't MPEG-2 compressed (this seems to be based on a misunderstanding). It is either AVC or X-AVC.

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/5/2018, 7:51 AM

hi first of all i should say thanks to all of you for this participation.

there is info what sony a7s record and i work on it

and this is .mts file AVCHD VIDEO WITH 50P PROGRESSIVE.

and here this is full infomation

General
ID                             : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                  : F:\MY-L-DRIVE\WEDDING-2017-2018\MALKEET-SEC-38\1. Path\STREAM\00000.MTS
CompleteName_Last              : F:\MY-L-DRIVE\WEDDING-2017-2018\MALKEET-SEC-38\1. Path\STREAM\00176.MTS
Format                         : BDAV
Format/Info                    : Blu-ray Video
File size                      : 26.9 GiB
Duration                       : 3 min 40 s
Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
Overall bit rate               : 1 045 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate       : 28.0 Mb/s

Video
ID                             : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames     : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP           : M=1, N=12
Codec ID                       : 27
Duration                       : 3 min 40 s
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 1 003 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 26.0 Mb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate                     : 50.000 FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 9.677
Stream size                    : 25.7 GiB (96%)

Audio
ID                             : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : AC-3
Format/Info                    : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness    : Big
Codec ID                       : 129
Duration                       : 3 min 40 s
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
Channel positions              : Front: L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                     : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                      : 16 bits
Compression mode               : Lossy
Stream size                    : 6.72 MiB (0%)
Service kind                   : Complete Main

Text
ID                             : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : PGS
Codec ID                       : 144
Duration                       : 3 min 39 s

 

and we i hand over to client in DVD and main Rendered video

My -work flow--- first i render video with this template.

it become around 28 to 32 GB files for 1 hour video.

after i use convert -x-to DVD software for making DVD

it took 2 hours to make DVD.

some time my rendered video does not play on costumer LCD or led

again they come to me i convert with hand brake . the problem with hand brake it make field order to progressive and video frames motion become sluttery

now you can imagine..how much time i took for only 1 hour video data. my pc specs is

intel i7- 4770k processor

16 gb ram

amd r9 290 gpu

ssd for c drive

for raw files and final render there is different drives

and why i ask for mpeg 1920x 1080 p with 50p

because mpeg -2 took less time to render.

2nd quality maintain, BIT rate near to 80 mb

and motion does not give problem while you slow down the footage.

i try Sony AVC but its max bit rate is 25 MB

i need MPEG -2 TS or PS in HD with 50p

thats all

hope you not tireD READ all story.

other reson was that i think sony is far superior then other NLE like Edius and premiere

so it should be that render settings.

this is my believe may be other not agree.

thnx for your time

plese give commmes

jasmohan

 

 

 

 

 

Marco. wrote on 1/5/2018, 9:26 AM

It looks like you're still on a wrong way. For DVD production you'd need to render SD not HD because there is no HD standard for DVDs. MPEG-2 DVD Architect render presets are recommended to avoid recompression by DVD-A. But the use of MPEG-2 here has zero relationship to the type your camera records, which definitely is AVCHD not MPEG-2.

For Blu-ray discs - rendering to Sony AVC is recommended (which uses same compression type as your camera does) which also could avoid recompression by DVD-A.

For the use of direct playback on a display/tv (e.g. via USB stick) any flavour of H.264 MP4 could be recommended just like Sony AVC, MainConcept AVC or Magix AVC (all of them use same compression type as your camera does - H.264).

jasmohan-k wrote on 1/5/2018, 11:12 AM

Thnx MACRO. but i want i just render 1 time and make DVD from this and give to client that render file. and it should be playable with USB on TV

but the suggestion you gave its how 1st i render for dvd

2nd i again render for client .

today i tried Sony avc with render

but after render its not smooth playable sound and video freeze on various places

then i render with Sony avc 50 its good but again for DVD convert x took 3 hours to make and for DVD architecture i need to render video and audio individually.

 

so long way....

 

 

 

Marco. wrote on 1/5/2018, 11:34 AM

Imho, there is no recommendable workflow for a one-time process. DVD video is SD only and there is no 50 fps for DVD. So if you want to save a second go, you would completely forgo your (1920x1080) HD property as well as the 50 fps.
Also it is unlikely all or even many TVs would play MPEG-2 video from a stick as this usually needs additional licensing.

diverG wrote on 1/5/2018, 12:01 PM

Your source material is 1920x1080 50p.  Your choices for a file playable on a TV are 1920x1080 50i or 1280x720 50p.  Why not make a render quality file from your existing time line.  You can then present this file to Handbrake and produce a 1280x720 50p MP4 file.  I just prefer HB to Vegas for MP4's.

Equally you could open a new project in Vegas 1920x1080 50i and drop you 1920x1080p file onto this timeline. now render out a mpeg2    (program stream at 50i.   Either of these files will play on a TV.  The MP4 file will be a lot smaller for a given quality and will best fit on a USB stick.  

If you eventually need to make a DVD the your file will need to be rendered out to 720o x 578 50i.

In general comply with BD or DVD standards for an easy route through.

 

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jasmohan-k wrote on 1/5/2018, 12:30 PM

There is one more thing if I make DVD direct from time line it has limited option like

1_ it make maximum 57 minutes video at 4.7gb DVD.

2. It make 720x576 25i uperfield video

But my fottage is progressive

That's y I make DVD in convert x

There is lot of quality difference in both situations.

2nd my question is what is good for TV. 1280x720 or 1920x1080 and 25i or 25p which one is smooth playback I just want get rid from frame sluttering while camera moves

 

diverG wrote on 1/5/2018, 12:51 PM

A little reading is required. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_high_definition_optical_disc_formats

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This is TV dependent.  You are clearly lucky.

This TV dependant On my TV (more than 2 years old) there are a lot more possibilities from USB. I did not experienced a file that could not be played upto big HEVC files, so maybe your quote is for some (older until very old) TV's.

 

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Sys 2 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP17, Plus Edius 8WG Win 10 Pro (22H2) Resolve18

 

Musicvid wrote on 1/5/2018, 2:55 PM

If you will put 1080 p 50 in DVDA and author a DVD, the result will be 480i or 576i, meaning SD interlaced. Surely you cannot believe otherwise, or blame the industry standards on the tools. That's just wishful thinking.

Former user wrote on 1/5/2018, 2:58 PM

yes, you are totally confused. There is no need to retain the progressive for the DVD. You will not see a difference in progressive vs. interlace on a DVD, your biggest difference will be the change in resolution. You said you only want to render once, but you are rendering twice. Once to create the 1920 x 1080 and again to create the DVD. You are making it far more complicated than it needs to be. Just use the Vegas DVD templates and be done with it.

Musicvid wrote on 1/5/2018, 3:17 PM

Precisely. If you will put 1080p in DVDA and author BluRay, the result will be 1080 i50, but with temporally undifferentiated fields (not frames.)​​​​​​

So jumping through all these mental hoops is unnecessary. OTOH, if you want true 50p from 50i, the Bob Deinterlace filter in Handbrake is the most familiar route. Otherwise, normal Deinterlacing will result in 25p.