Speed Up Rendering times in Vegas (1440p @60fps) Resolved

john-e82 wrote on 7/27/2018, 9:26 AM

So I have been using Vegas for a few years now and have recently upgraded my PC and got Vegas Pro 15. But when I try to render the times seem to be a lot slower in terms to my old PC which is a lot slower than my current one.

I am rendering Videos for Youtube 1440p 60fps and I can't remember last Render settings I used before my upgrade. was rendering a 4 min video in about an hour (4 core i5) But it should be faster with the new PC, it's not. Taking over 4 hours to render a 5 min video.

PC Specs: Intel i7 8700k 6 core 12 thread @4.8ghz , 16gb DDR4 3000mhz, Nvidia GTX 1080, Samsung 960 Evo PCIe 250gb SSD for OS/Vegas/Rendered videos. Windows 10 64 Pro

Rendering as MAGIX AVC Tried using Intel QSV and NV Encoder, Have tried Enabling and disabling GPU acceleration.

Looking for possible solutions to either use a different format for rendering to speed up times or possibly Increase CPU, GPU, RAM response. Only using about 700mb of the RAM and about 20% of the CPU while rendering and no other applications are open. TIA

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john_dennis wrote on 7/27/2018, 10:41 AM

You’ve said nothing about the characteristics of your source media or the amount of manipulation you apply in your project. Would you like to?

Musicvid wrote on 7/27/2018, 1:10 PM

I am rendering Videos for Youtube 1440p 60fps

Don't do that. YouTube HD format is 1920x1080, usually 30fps.

Tried using Intel QSV and NV Encoder

Don't do that because it's much slower and unnecessary. Use the AVC 1080p Internet Template.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 7/27/2018, 2:04 PM

Don't do that. YouTube HD format is 1920x1080, usually 30fps.

Not true, but true for Safari users.

I also know it does 1080 60p, I never tried anything higher.

It seems it does even

Tried using Intel QSV and NV Encoder

Don't do that because it's much slower and unnecessary. Use the AVC 1080p Internet Template.

It shouldn't be. I do render with Magix VEC, which is similar to NVENC and it is much faster then regular AVC.

 

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Musicvid wrote on 7/27/2018, 2:39 PM

I challenge the assumption that OP is using 1440p 60 camera source.

I stand by my suggestion.

OldSmoke wrote on 7/27/2018, 2:44 PM

I challenge the assumption that OP is using 1440p 60 camera source.

I stand by my suggestion.

It may not come from a camera. 2560x1440 is a common resolution for PC monitors; it could be a game capture at such resolution and frame rate. Why limit the viewer’s experience to something lower then the source if not required?

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Musicvid wrote on 7/27/2018, 3:11 PM

Oldsmoke, my point is that the OP did not provide his source information, which neither of us know either.

My suspicion of it being hd is high, but if it isn't, I would still upload 1080p to facilitate delivery to consumers.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 7/27/2018, 3:20 PM

Oldsmoke, my point is that the OP did not provide his source information, which neither of us know either.

My suspicion of it being hd is high, but if it isn't, I would still upload 1080p to facilitate delivery to consumers.

 

Well, since don’t know his source, shouldn’t we just accept his wishes? That would be uploading 1440 60p, which we have established is a valid resolution and frame rate. So the OP is asking for is better, faster render settings.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 7/27/2018, 3:22 PM

So I have been using Vegas for a few years now and have recently upgraded my PC and got Vegas Pro 15. But when I try to render the times seem to be a lot slower in terms to my old PC which is a lot slower than my current one.

I am rendering Videos for Youtube 1440p 60fps and I can't remember last Render settings I used before my upgrade. was rendering a 4 min video in about an hour (4 core i5) But it should be faster with the new PC, it's not. Taking over 4 hours to render a 5 min video.

PC Specs: Intel i7 8700k 6 core 12 thread @4.8ghz , 16gb DDR4 3000mhz, Nvidia GTX 1080, Samsung 960 Evo PCIe 250gb SSD for OS/Vegas/Rendered videos. Windows 10 64 Pro

Rendering as MAGIX AVC Tried using Intel QSV and NV Encoder, Have tried Enabling and disabling GPU acceleration.

Looking for possible solutions to either use a different format for rendering to speed up times or possibly Increase CPU, GPU, RAM response. Only using about 700mb of the RAM and about 20% of the CPU while rendering and no other applications are open. TIA

What are your source files like? Maybe you have resampling enabled?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Musicvid wrote on 7/27/2018, 4:08 PM

So the OP is asking for is better, faster render settings.

So it would be silly for the OP to render other than source resolution and frame rate, isn't that what you want to say?

OldSmoke wrote on 7/27/2018, 4:32 PM

So the OP is asking for is better, faster render settings.

So it would be silly for the OP to render other than source resolution and frame rate, isn't that what you want to say?

No. What I am saying is that since we don't know his source files, why not let him render to whatever he wants and advice on the question asked; no assumptions made.

 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Trensharo wrote on 7/27/2018, 4:33 PM

So the OP is asking for is better, faster render settings.

So it would be silly for the OP to render other than source resolution and frame rate, isn't that what you want to say?

What he wants to say is that the source of the footage is non-factor, as it does not address the issue the OP is having. 1440p is a very common mid-range gaming resolution, and 60p is a common frame rate. The video is likely a game or screen capture.

Uploading in native resolution is preferable for three reasons:

1. It's easier than changing things, to just set the project to source media when you place the first clip;

2. It makes sense to upload in the biggest raster and frame rate possible, so that viewers who upgrade their display/machines/connection will automatically be served better video footage

3. The YouTube compression for larger rasters is less aggressive, so you often get better 1080p on YouTube by uploading 1440p to YouTube. This has been a common trick, employed for at least a couple/few years now. Try it...

No one cares whether or not anyone thinks it's a valid camera recording resolution (it is, as there are high end Android phones and Prosumer equipment that give you a 1440p option... Since at least 2013 ;-) ). That's irrelevant to the issue: slow rendering times.

Also, QSV, VCE, and Nvenc are pretty much always going to be faster than CPU rendering. Anything stated to the contrary is likely fiction, or the result of rendering on a super computer with dozens of cores and only one GPU (even then, only maybe, since I'm not rich enough to own such equipment).

Even on a 4 year old Quad Core AMD APU, the rendering times decrease by about 25% flat with Legacy rendering enabled and using Hardware Accelerated Rendering for H.264 (Richland-era AMD VCE). It's always been this way.

The whole point of Hardware Acceleration is to utilize a specialized chip in the CPU or GPU package which does this much faster/more efficiently than a CPU... We use GPUs for graphics for the same reason, and this is why every CPU manufacturer bundles an iGPU, except in Workstation/Server CPUs expected to be used in machines that have discrete GPUs for advanced workloads, or be used headlessly.

Former user wrote on 7/27/2018, 10:03 PM

My suspicion of it being hd is high, but if it isn't, I would still upload 1080p to facilitate delivery to consumers.

Well, since don’t know his source, shouldn’t we just accept his wishes? That would be uploading 1440 60p, which we have established is a valid resolution and frame rate. So the OP is asking for is better, faster render settings.

Yes with his gtx1080 card 1440p is optimum gaming resolution (not enough grunt for 4k) & i'm guessing he's using a hdmi capture card which is why he's capturing at 60p although I don't think YT does above 60fps anyway.

anyway using HEVC with nvenc converting 4k source to 1440p60 I get real time encoding speed of 60fps. I would imagine a direct transcode, rather than scaling down the resolution would be faster . Also I have a 3 year old medium spec computer. OP has high spec new computer. Something is wrong. I also tried 1440p60 with magix using software encode & still was able to get 22fps.

john-e82 wrote on 7/28/2018, 6:03 AM

Hi Everyone, Sorry for the late reply. The videos I am using are Game Captures. I use Bandicam to record and use the Vegas Preset it has in the Settings. I cap my frame rate at 60fps while recording and my monitor is 1440p.

I was trying out a few different settings in Vegas yesterday to try reduce the render speed. I got one working using Magix AVC with 1440p res and 60fps and managed to get the time down to just over 1 hour render time which I am happy with. The quality is really nice.

What I changed was in Task Manager I set Vegas to High Priority. In Vegas I selected all my videos and Disabled resample on them. In the render Settings I changed to Variable Bit Rate with 60,000,000 Max and 50,000,000 Average (before it was set at a constant bit rate of 135,000,000) I use NV Encoder, High Quality, VBR-High Quality. and in the Project Tab, Video rendering quality to Best.

When I render I check Task Manager and it says I am now using 90% of my CPU on Vegas.

Hopefully these settings will come in use to anyone else with the problem.

BruceUSA wrote on 7/28/2018, 8:56 AM

With using AMD VCE, I get average of 50 frames in rendering in 4K, multi tracks with FXs applied and and GH5 4K 30P. When I render a 1080P, I get about average 87 frames.

PS. In 1080P I get actually way more than 87 frame, 166 frame is freaking good.

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