Still Using DNxHD and Handbrake??

Red Prince wrote on 6/15/2018, 12:08 PM

In 12, keep using that workflow. In 14/15, I personally use MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4. It works nicely and right inside Vegas.

Musicvid wrote on 6/15/2018, 5:44 PM

I still use it out of habit.

JHendrix wrote on 6/16/2018, 12:58 PM

I just rendered 200 10bit 1080p from vegas and really high qual setting in HB. Dont see much diff from plain old MainConcept or Sony from Vegas. makes me wonder if those codex have been upgraded?

OldSmoke wrote on 6/16/2018, 1:36 PM

I just rendered 200 10bit 1080p from vegas and really high qual setting in HB. Dont see much diff from plain old MainConcept or Sony from Vegas. makes me wonder if those codex have been upgraded?

The difference is more noticeable at bit rates below 10k. Try Rendering with a target of 7-5k and you will see a difference.

Musicvid wrote on 6/16/2018, 1:49 PM

You hit a quality ceiling, which is always source dependent. Doesn't mean those codecs won't perform as expected with better source.

JHendrix wrote on 6/17/2018, 2:36 PM

May have hit qual ceiling not sure. So I am now trying an 8BIT from Vegas. Then in HB are you saying leaving it at default of 18 is better than sliding it down to like 3-5?

john_dennis wrote on 6/17/2018, 4:38 PM

More than you ever wanted to know about CRF. But, since you asked...

Numbers below ~18 make the files bigger but quickly get into diminishing returns to quality.

Musicvid wrote on 6/17/2018, 5:47 PM

At or below 18 carries the cost of rendered files being the same size or larger than the source. I'm at 20-22 most of the time.

Kinvermark wrote on 6/17/2018, 5:48 PM

FWIW, I render to lossless (MagicYUV) then encode for high quality UHD TV playback in Handbrake. The quality is excellent and reliable, with no render hangs on complex sequences, (almost) no problems with composited titles and such, and elimination of flicker and pixel crawl with moving hi-res still images.

Musicvid wrote on 6/17/2018, 8:00 PM

UHD could be just as good at 22-24, according to anecdotes on the Handbrake forums.

Julius_ wrote on 6/19/2018, 2:19 PM

Yeah, I still use this method... keep HB at 19, sometimes I push to 22 when I need smaller file sizes.

amendegw wrote on 6/19/2018, 4:37 PM

I played a bit part in this original effort. (Thanks Musicvid for your insight and a fun project) That said, I rarely use it anymore for several reasons 1) I no longer record interlaced video. 2) I no longer need to resize the video before uploads. 3) Internet speeds have gone insane since then, and 4) YouTube automatically sets playback speed based on the users bandwidth. That said, I'll occasionally use Handbrake to reduce file size when sending email attachments.

...Jerry

PS: Hi! to all my old friends.

amendegw wrote on 6/19/2018, 4:56 PM

BTW, for those who want to reminisce... not updated since 2012: http://www.jazzythedog.com/testing/dnxhd/Hd-guide.aspx

...Jerry

Musicvid wrote on 6/19/2018, 6:04 PM

Jerry!

I would love to d/l 4k stills of your stellar wildlife work. The new teevee is waiting. Thought of you so often.

Mark

amendegw wrote on 6/19/2018, 6:19 PM

Musicvid,

An interesting project. I'm still on Vegas 12. Haven't kept up with the technology. Can I merely place high rez stills on my timeline and render to 4096 x 2160, 29.97 fps using the Mainconcept AVC/AAC encoder? What would be a target bitrate?

...Jerry

PS: Here's a recent still as a teaser: https://flic.kr/p/24cQAKb

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2018, 1:31 PM

@amendegw

Jerry, your sample is charming as always.

Can you post direct links for your low-bitrate talking head tests? From the web page, my browser complains about Flash.

Also, I've uncovered a treasure trove of Ektachromes from my sister's time with the Predatory Bird Research Group at UC Santa Clara. She was a falcons whisperer. Thus my teaser.

amendegw wrote on 10/6/2018, 2:37 PM

@Musicvid Oh man, I'm going to have to do some searching I give me a day or so.

I was just thinking about you... testing some 4K video on my Canon 1Dx Mark II. It's a motion jpeg in a MOV wrapper. Imports to Vegas 12 as interlaced (that is it sets the project properties as interlaced when I first drop an event on the timeline) - that can't be right can it? Mediainfo doesn't seem to tell me anything.

I love falcons! Don't have any great shots of any - they're so small & so quick! Here's a so-so shot.

...Jerry

amendegw wrote on 10/6/2018, 2:58 PM

@Musicvid I'm pretty sure I remember the videos you were referring but can't seem to find them. Can you post the url that gave you the flash request?

Thanks,
...Jery

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2018, 3:22 PM

here is a link I have:

Http://www.jazzythedog.com/testing/dnxhd/Hd-guide.aspx%23LBR

You can see this is going to be an emotional project for me. She flew out of this phyaical confine on her own wings in 2000.

amendegw wrote on 10/6/2018, 4:17 PM

@Musicvid Okay, I think I figured it out. Not the headshot videos rather the full tutorial. Here the direct URLs.

Handbrake: http://www.jazzythedog.com/Testing/DNxHD/DNxHD4HB-1200Kbps.mp4
MainConcept: http://www.jazzythedog.com/Testing/DNxHD/DNxHD4HB-1200Kbps-MC.mp4
Sony: http://www.jazzythedog.com/Testing/DNxHD/Sony-1200Kbps.mp4

If that doesn't work, let me know.

...Jerry

PS: That a bunch of cute falcon chicks!
PPS: Figured out the 1Dx issue. Manual says it only records in progressive. My problem must be a bug in Vegas - easily corrected by manually adjusting the project properties.

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2018, 4:20 PM

Try changing it in Media Properties instead. Trying the links now.

amendegw wrote on 10/6/2018, 4:32 PM

Try changing it in Media Properties instead. Trying the links now.

Indeed, I think I want to change both the project & the media properties.

Thanks!
...Jerry

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2018, 4:35 PM

If you locate the talking head guy, I wanted to include him in this thread

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/uncompressed-pcm-cpu-friendly-100mb-per-minute-file-size-720p-30fps--113213/

amendegw wrote on 10/6/2018, 4:39 PM

I remember the videos. I'll search.

...Jerry