Two Blu-ray .M2V questions (bug?)

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 10/10/2019, 8:43 PM

I recently rendered two Blu-ray files for a client delivery. Although I began with the MPEG2 Blu-ray template, I modified the bitrate encoding settings (max, avg, min) to assure it would fit well on the physical disc (standard procedure, ya?). When I got into DVDA it complained it was a not compatible with the media format and insisted in re-encoding. Note that I tested using Vegas 14 and Vegas 17, and DVDA version 100 and the prior build version as well.

Short on time, I decided to re-encode myself in Vegas -- better control, and I feel Vegas renders faster than DVDA (unconfirmed). Two findings:
(1) BUG -- testing with the smaller of my rendered .M2V video files (312 MB), I dropped that file into the Vegas timeline from Windows Explorer (Vegas wouldn't let me drop it in using the internal Explorer window). Timeline played the file fine. When I told it to render back to .M2V using any Blu-ray MPEG2 templates (the standard Blu-ray templates or the new one which worked with narrower bitrate settings [see #2 below]), Vegas hangs. CPU on the process is low, can't cancel -- need to kill the Vegas process. Re-rendering this .M2V as an .AVC file works fine, but rendering this .M2V to any .M2V (MPEG2 Blu-ray) template hangs Vegas. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Same behavior in V14 and V17.

(2) QUESTION -- I was able to re-render the main video file (larger) using custom settings, and when I kept the max bitrate lower (and low-end higher), DVDA accepted it without requiring a re-render. What are the acceptable ranges we can put in there before DVDA complains?

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

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Musicvid wrote on 10/10/2019, 9:26 PM

With MPEG-2 BluRay, DVD Architect accepts all the way to 40Mbps. You have to set it in DVDA Properties, though.

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 10/10/2019, 9:38 PM

Ah. Unfortunately I had my max up around 47Mbps and my low around 8.5 per recommendation of the online "Bitrate Calculator" which I use. I noticed the default MPEG-2 Blu-ray templates also are set to single-pass instead of 2-pass and I wondered if that would have impacted anything (I always thought that just affected how efficiently it did the encoding, albeit 2x the render time because of the 2nd pass).

Still doesn't address the bug portion of my question, but I appreciate knowing I can set the max up higher before DVDA complains.

I don't see anything in either Properties or Preferences of DVDA to specify the max bitrate before requiring a re-encode. Where are you looking? (I only see "Minimum bitrate" on the "Burning" preferences menu -- and also a "Max safe bitrate %" and "Adjust bitrate tolerance" setting in the hidden Internal preferences)

Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 10/10/2019, 9:45 PM

In "properties" I do see the "default bitrate", but my experience is that this bitrate is only used as the bitrate when DVDA creates menus, or as the default when it needs to recompress your video (if in the "optimize" screen you tell it to use the default settings). I see this can be set all the way up to 40 Mbps, and also now looking on Wikipedia, it looks like the Blu-ray standard sets the max bitrate to 40Mbps... so that bitrate calculator tool led me astray! grrr....

AFAIK this setting in DVDA doesn't affect what it will cry about as being an incompatible media file (requiring recompression); changing this setting wouldn't change when i get that critical authoring warning.

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

EricLNZ wrote on 10/10/2019, 11:03 PM

Slightly OT but note the last post in this thread https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bit-rate--116200/