upgrade for preview speed...if money were no issue

Mindmatter wrote on 2/24/2019, 5:44 AM

Hi all,

confronted with the eternal preview lag again, I'm starting to get so annoyed by it that I'm willing to spend what it takes to upgrade my preview to acceptable, smooth and trouble free speed and functionality. So my question is: what should buy / spend to simply get the absolutely best possible preview speed and functionality? GPU/CPU..you name it.

In spite of all my love for VEGAS, I'm also seriously considering getting Edius 9 for non compositing projects, as it's just so marvelously fast.

Thanks for any suggestions!

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Former user wrote on 2/24/2019, 6:29 AM

I believe you need an intel CPU with integrated graphics. That seems to be the secret for timeline playback. You'll see both your intel & external GPU in use. Intel quicksync for decoding, External video card for processing.
Ever since Vegas stopped being able to see QuickSync my timeline playback is terrible for alot of 4k content, worse than HitFilm & hitfilm is pretty damn bad with my older i7 cpu.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/24/2019, 11:55 AM

Look at @BruceUSA system! That is what I would target for.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Mindmatter wrote on 2/24/2019, 12:14 PM

Looks sturdy, thanks !

Musicvid wrote on 2/24/2019, 1:26 PM

I'm starting to get so annoyed by it that I'm willing to spend what it takes to upgrade my preview to acceptable, smooth and trouble free speed and functionality.

The people who have the kind of successful outcome you seek, have done so not by throwing money at it, which can be a crapshoot, but by diligent investigation and technique to rule out any of hundreds of possible bottlenecks, on an adequate system.

Here is a parallel anecdote about greatly improving render speeds through diligent application of investigational strategies, which many of us promptly forgot upon completion of our first school geometry class.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/fast-vp15-rendering-at-last--114965/

OldSmoke wrote on 2/24/2019, 2:22 PM

Maybe the OP can tell us what his current system consists off?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Mindmatter wrote on 2/25/2019, 11:16 AM

my specs:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core

32Bg RAM

Radeon R290 latest driver

@musicvid: render speed is not my concern at all. I just need a fluid timeline preview that won't start and not framedropping and stuttering at the slightest Fx usage. And yes, I went through the tweaks and tips and FAQs put together on this board.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/25/2019, 2:37 PM

my specs:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core

32Bg RAM

Radeon R290 latest driver

@musicvid: render speed is not my concern at all. I just need a fluid timeline preview that won't start and not framedropping and stuttering at the slightest Fx usage. And yes, I went through the tweaks and tips and FAQs put together on this board.

And what kind of source files are you working with? My 3930K handles 4K XAVC-I nicely in 8bit at Best/Full.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Mindmatter wrote on 2/26/2019, 2:50 AM

last project was all XAVC-S which I converted to XAVC-I for better timeline performance. Vegas was still struggling when it came to FX. This time it's all XAVC-I from an FS7, and again, FX throw it out of balance pretty quickly.

I stay in 8 bit with the 10 bit files, and as soon as it comes to compositing and multi layered tracks, it's impossible to view fluently. I then mainly work in preview/full or sometimes even draft to get an idea of what works and what's going on at all..

AVsupport wrote on 2/26/2019, 6:15 AM

my next upgrade is going to be another Dollar drop for VP17 hoping for a meaninful upgrade of the core programming to support current hardware. There is no need anymore to be backwards compatible with a 486 running DOS. My hardware is fast enough and yet I have the same issues @Mindmatter not that this helps

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/26/2019, 6:54 AM

last project was all XAVC-S which I converted to XAVC-I for better timeline performance. Vegas was still struggling when it came to FX. This time it's all XAVC-I from an FS7, and again, FX throw it out of balance pretty quickly.

I stay in 8 bit with the 10 bit files, and as soon as it comes to compositing and multi layered tracks, it's impossible to view fluently. I then mainly work in preview/full or sometimes even draft to get an idea of what works and what's going on at all..

If I compare your system to mine, the R290 is the only thing I would upgrade to a Vega Frontier Edition. The 5820k should be water-cooled and running @4.5GHz, that will give you some good boost. A 8-core is certainly better for multi layered compositing and eventually you will have to work with proxies. I am always careful when users say "FXs" are the issues, Vegas native FXs are almost all GPU accelerated and do run well even on my lower end system. SSDs are a must or better NVMe drives. Also important is your RAM which should be running at the speed the memory controller is designed for; higher spec RAM running at lower speed but also faster latency is always better then overclocked RAM.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

fr0sty wrote on 2/26/2019, 8:00 AM

If money is no issue... Lots of bandwidth. Fastest hard drives you can get (Raid 10 NVME if you want to get ridiculously fast and stable with it, then a mechanical drive to use for storage. Copy files you are currently editing onto the Raid drive for best performance, save the results to the mechanical drive), Pair that with a Intel Core i9-9900K (or Intel Xeon W-3175X... you said money wasn't an issue...) and a top of the line radeon pro card with 16GB VRAM and 12teraflops of horsepower under the hood... Radeons from what I gather tend to work better with timeline acceleration, but it is worth looking into the newer RTX Nvidia cards as well, as they are supposed to have improved openCL performance. Has anyone benchmarked those vs. the latest radeons in Vegas? From there, I'd toss in 64-128GB of some blazing fast DDR4-4000 RAM, and call it a day (the more the better, especially if you plan on using After Effects or any other similar memory hungry app alongside Vegas).

That is a system I'd build to be able to handle my general purpose loads with Cinema 4D, After Effects, Lightroom, etc... keeping the highest amount of bandwidth possible from point A to B is key to removing any slowdown that might pop up... and this approach leaves LOTS of headroom for higher quality/bitrate formats down the road,

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Radeon VII

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Musicvid wrote on 2/26/2019, 8:14 AM

Mindmatter, I was trying to give an example of a user spending time rather than money to solve an issue. I have no concern with your render times.

Mindmatter wrote on 2/27/2019, 7:46 AM

Thanks all, that'll get me shopping sooner or later. Sooner, rather, I guess.

OldSmoke, I have no clue about overclocking...guess I'll have to read my way in to it ( presuming that's what you meant with the 4,5 ghz ).

Also, i've looked at the Vega Frontier edition, strangely the prices vary somewhere between 580 and 1500 €...I can't seem to understand the differences.

pierre-k wrote on 2/27/2019, 8:03 AM

I tried upgrading from GTX 970 to RX580 and speed editing was just as bad with 4k and Full HD reverse sample video. I have Intel Xeon E3-1231 3.3Ghz. Two of my friends have an AMD processor. One AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and a second friend of AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X. They have no problem with the editing speeds. The power of Vegas is in the number of cores. The more, the faster it is to edit. For rendering, it's a better GPU.

Sorry my english :-)

OldSmoke wrote on 2/27/2019, 2:09 PM

The power of Vegas is in the number of cores. The more, the faster it is to edit.

Not quite true. Anything beyond 8 or 10 cores yields very little performance gain. Fast CPU clock and single core performance are key for Vegas. Xeon's are hard to overclock and usually cant run full speed on all cores.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 2/27/2019, 2:10 PM

last project was all XAVC-S which I converted to XAVC-I for better timeline performance. Vegas was still struggling when it came to FX. This time it's all XAVC-I from an FS7, and again, FX throw it out of balance pretty quickly.

I stay in 8 bit with the 10 bit files, and as soon as it comes to compositing and multi layered tracks, it's impossible to view fluently. I then mainly work in preview/full or sometimes even draft to get an idea of what works and what's going on at all..


@Mindmatter Yes, that is what I meant. Most modern motherboard BIOS have their own "Overclock Wizard".

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)