VEGAS 14 - Video is Washed Out and Audio Screeches!?

dannyzee wrote on 9/25/2022, 9:28 PM

I am using VEGAS Pro 14 on a pretty beefy computer.

I have been recording, editing, and rendering .mp4s for a long time with no issue. Recently I tried to swap my color format in OBS to I444 from NV12. I also changed the encoder to record in HEVC.

My recording is totally fine when I watch it in VLC media player. i.e. video plays just fine with correct colors + audio is there.

 

When I place the file into Vegas, all the colors are insanely washed out (grey-like) and the audio waveforms while shown, actually resemble electrical screeching. It's very weird and I really don't understand why this one file is acting up. I'm assuming it has something to do with the HEVC codec? When I first uploaded it into Vegas it said "HEVC Codec Successfully Added" though.

I've tried converting the file to .mp4 in VLC Media Player but for some reason VLC renders it down to a single audio track with no video (frustrating). And Handbrake converts the video but it appears washed out as it does in Vegas. It seems as though VLC Media Player is the only player that actually retains the correct information.

 

Please Help!

 

Media Info:

General
Complete name                            : F:\Footage\video.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/mp41)
File size                                : 8.68 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Overall bit rate                         : 13.2 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf59.16.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4.1@Main
HDR format                               : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : hev1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate                                 : 12.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 60.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 58.824 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 62.500 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.103
Stream size                              : 8.47 GiB (98%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 132 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : C
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 88.9 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : Track1
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 524 b/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : C
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.03 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : Track2
Default                                  : No
Alternate group                          : 1

Audio #3
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 h 34 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 163 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : C
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 110 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : Track3
Default                                  : No
Alternate group                          : 1

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 9/25/2022, 10:00 PM

Vegas Pro 14 does not support HEVC 10 Bit REC 2020 PQ (ST2084/2086) encoding format. The common name is HDR10.

The reason is that this format was released many years after Vegas Pro 14 reached its end-of-life, since which time it has no longer been developed.

Suggest you download the latest VP20 trial, which has some support for this newer format, thanks for providing the MediaInfo.

That format is incredibly inefficient for screen capture. Suggest you stick with NV12 if it was working for you, or X264 software encoder if you would like a little better quality. Thanks for asking, and welcome to the peer support forum for Vegas Pro.

Please  do not double post on these forums, as one of your threads will be locked by the moderators. Thanks for respecting your fellow users, including john_dennis, who replied to your other post.

dannyzee wrote on 9/25/2022, 10:26 PM

Vegas Pro 14 does not support HEVC 10 Bit REC 2020 PQ (ST2084/2086) encoding format in any way, shape, or form.

The reason is that this format was released many years after Vegas Pro 14 reached its end-of-life, since which time it has no longer been developed.

Suggest you download the latest VP20 trial, which has some support for this newer format, thanks for providing the MediaInfo.

That format is incredibly inefficient for screen capture. Suggest you stick with NV12 if it was working for you, or X264 software encoder if you would like a little better quality. Thanks for asking, and welcome to the peer support forum for Vegas Pro.

Please  do not double post on these forums, as one of your threads will be locked by the moderators. Thanks for respecting your fellow users, including john_dennis, who replied to your other post.

Thank you so much for the response. While I understand this is a massive blunder, I already have the file I wish to work with. Is there any way to convert the 10 bit file into a standard version? i.e. Using VLC, Handbrake or some other equivalent?

Also for recording, you mention that I shouldn't use anything other than NV12, but I thought that I420 and I444 had higher quality results for recording. My encoder is typically NVIDIA NVENC H.264. Can you clarify on how I can alter my settings so they're tuned for high quality recording?

Musicvid wrote on 9/26/2022, 9:13 AM

I truly apologize, @dannyzee, it was late and I see today my response read a little harsh.

To convert your existing file to a friendly format, use Shutter Encoder as john_dennis suggested, or Handbrake. Either way you will need to convert it to Constant Frame Rate AVC for Vegas 14. If the colors are still flat and gray, I probably have a LUT I made to compensate.

As for using I444 for capture, your source, graphics, and monitor probably do not produce that, most delivery formats do not support that, and it burdens your system unnecessarily trying to encode all that excessive nonsense in real time. Unless there is some special need, the question remains "why?"

Look at this post and the response on the OBS Forum. It says the same thing:

https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/need-video-editors-for-h-264-i444-high-4-4-4-predictive.118957/

You will not gain one iota of quality by encoding an 8 bit stream in a 10 bit wrapper. That is fundamental. And yes, there is a lot of unscientific hyperbole to the contrary on the internet...🙃

As I said, Nvidia hardware encoder is lower quality across the board than available software encoders. If you want highest quality without choking your system, use MagicYUV at appropriate bit depth and chroma subsampling and love your monstrous file sizes. I am not a gamer, I don't need blazing fast speed, so x264 software encoder is the best quality compromise for me.

As you are a new user, thanks for keeping an open mind.

dannyzee wrote on 9/27/2022, 7:13 PM

I truly apologize, @dannyzee, it was late and I see today my response read a little harsh.

To convert your existing file to a friendly format, use Shutter Encoder as john_dennis suggested, or Handbrake. Either way you will need to convert it to Constant Frame Rate AVC for Vegas 14. If the colors are still flat and gray, I probably have a LUT I made to compensate.

As for using I444 for capture, your source, graphics, and monitor probably do not produce that, most delivery formats do not support that, and it burdens your system unnecessarily trying to encode all that excessive nonsense in real time. Unless there is some special need, the question remains "why?"

Look at this post and the response on the OBS Forum. It says the same thing:

https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/need-video-editors-for-h-264-i444-high-4-4-4-predictive.118957/

You will not gain one iota of quality by encoding an 8 bit stream in a 10 bit wrapper. That is fundamental. And yes, there is a lot of unscientific hyperbole to the contrary on the internet...🙃

As I said, Nvidia hardware encoder is lower quality across the board than available software encoders. If you want highest quality without choking your system, use MagicYUV at appropriate bit depth and chroma subsampling and love your monstrous file sizes. I am not a gamer, I don't need blazing fast speed, so x264 software encoder is the best quality compromise for me.

As you are a new user, thanks for keeping an open mind.

I appreciate the follow up. With regards to the conversion process, I took the file and tried to convert it through both Handbrake and ShutterEncoder.

Handbrake does nothing to correct the washed out colors. ShutterEncoder does a ~slight~ correction when I set it to the H_264 + Color Space 709. However it is still washed out and is unwatchable. Any suggestions? How can I apply a LUT/correction if it is possible? I would very much like to save this footage if possible.

Additionally, for the audio settings within Shutter Encoder, just wondering what the convert format "Copy" is referring to. I would usually just select mp3.

Thanks for all your help!

Musicvid wrote on 9/27/2022, 10:09 PM

Here you go. I adapted this one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/121MQIXa9iVAS_im4MtLR7D3MqRLBw3to/view?usp=sharing

I remember now that Vegas 14 doesn't have a LUT fx built in. There is a free VisionColor LUT ofx you can download and install. https://vision-color.com/products/lutplugin/

Please do not use mp3 audio with video. If you are converting your file to AVC mp4, copy the AAC audio.

RogerS wrote on 9/27/2022, 10:26 PM

You can apply a conversion LUT within Shutter Encoder under Colorimetry if the convert colorspace feature there doesn't work for you.