VEGAS Pro 15 Update 2 (build 261) - General Discussion

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marcinzm wrote on 12/1/2017, 5:40 PM

I have just prepared for Magix developers short video which you can see the problem with Polish letters, Polish fonts, font list count, typing Polish letters on Polish keyboard.

Please be so kind and fix these problems. As I previously mentioned these problems are serious and have been existing in Vegas software since Sony Vegas Pro 9 or even before.

Please take a look at my video. I hope it will clear the issue view for any not Polish Magix developer in Magix team

 

Regards
Marcin from Poland

If you are bored, drink water, you will want to pee. -> Albert Einstein - my idol!

I am 42. I have been creating videos since 2009 (the date when my first daughter was born in). My first video software was Pinnacle, next one was Sony Vegas 8 (I am not sure if remember it correctly). I am also a developer and wedding movie operator and editor. For example: I have created an Android app which let me control Vegas Pro rendering progress level on Android smartphone. I created it for fun, because I also love programming. I also created my own plugin for Audio To Text feature specified usage from Vegas Pro 19. I created proxy creation plugin which uses multiple GPU threads (maximum 3) to create proxy files for Vegas Pro. I also written many others plugin/softwares which enhance my video editing, also wedding editing.

Camera/video camera: Sony FX3, Sony A7 III, Sony FDR AX 100, Canon 5D Mark III, GoPro Hero Black 7,8,9,10

Lenses for Sony: Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8 Di III , Sony 24mm gm 1.4 FE, Sony 20 mm G FE 1.8

Lenses for Canon: Canon EF 24-70 mm F/2.8 L USM, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L

Drone: DJI Mavic 3 & DJI Phantom 4 Pro v2.0

 

Editing: Vegas Pro 20 (365) with a lot of third party plugins, also my own plugins written in C#

 

PC:

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7900X CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.31 GHz

RAM: 128 GB

GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080 TI

storage: 4 SSD drives (including two M.2 flash drives) and two HDD drives

Windows system: 10 Home edition

Dave wrote on 12/1/2017, 7:16 PM

@Peter_P Here are the VST details you inquired about:

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

NickHope wrote on 12/1/2017, 8:58 PM

I recently upgrade from Version 14 to 15 of Vegas Pro. This was done on the promotion of improved render times.

I now note that my render times seemed to have gone in the opposite direction. I think I have optimized my workstation for editing with Vegas Pro ( HP Z440 with a Zeon processor, 32 GB RAM and an AMD FirePro W5100 ).

Is there something I may have missed in my setup or something I can check? I am truly disappointed with my render times.

@hughdemand The improved render times are specifically with NVENC or QSV in the Magix AVC/AAC encoder. You need an Nvidia card (not AMD) for NVENC and your Xeon CPU may not support QSV, depending on the model.

Today I found my memory usage going up to the 32GB ceiling and having to cancel the render.

What format is on your timeline? If it's AVC or XAVC-S then try disabling so4compoundplug.

NickHope wrote on 12/1/2017, 8:59 PM

It looks like this update has done nothing to fix the freezes when using NVENC with the so4 dll enabled, guess I'll have to disable it again. Even when the renders were working, I was getting all kinds of errors like flickering frames, compositing flickering in and out, etc.

@fr0sty What format of footage is on your timeline? How was it created?

NickHope wrote on 12/1/2017, 9:04 PM

@Peter_P Here are the VST details you inquired about:

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

@Dave Disable so4compoundplug and please let us know if it fixes the problem.

Also, did you use a previous version of VP15 and did it work better in this respect (i.e. not crash with your G85 UHD footage)?

NickHope wrote on 12/1/2017, 10:21 PM

@marcinzm Does this summarize the 2 issues (for this post)?

  • Shortcut for Polish character "ż" (Right ALT + X) closes the (Legacy) Text generator
  • Most Polish fonts cannot be used in Titles & Text and (Legacy) Text
Peter_P wrote on 12/2/2017, 1:46 AM

@Peter_P Here are the VST details you inquired about:

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

@Dave Disable so4compoundplug and please let us know if it fixes the problem.

Also, did you use a previous version of VP15 and did it work better in this respect (i.e. not crash with your G85 UHD footage)?


@Dave

That's what I was after. Nick was faster ;)

marcinzm wrote on 12/2/2017, 4:42 AM

@marcinzm Does this summarize the 2 issues (for this post)?

  • Shortcut for Polish character "ż" (Right ALT + X) closes the (Legacy) Text generator
  • Most Polish fonts cannot be used in Titles & Text and (Legacy) Text


It summerize 3 issues - you have to add one more issue that I put on the video.

Fonts list count on Titles & Text and (Legacy) Text are different. Some fonts are available in one font list in one text editor and in the another font list in another text editor are missing.

If you are bored, drink water, you will want to pee. -> Albert Einstein - my idol!

I am 42. I have been creating videos since 2009 (the date when my first daughter was born in). My first video software was Pinnacle, next one was Sony Vegas 8 (I am not sure if remember it correctly). I am also a developer and wedding movie operator and editor. For example: I have created an Android app which let me control Vegas Pro rendering progress level on Android smartphone. I created it for fun, because I also love programming. I also created my own plugin for Audio To Text feature specified usage from Vegas Pro 19. I created proxy creation plugin which uses multiple GPU threads (maximum 3) to create proxy files for Vegas Pro. I also written many others plugin/softwares which enhance my video editing, also wedding editing.

Camera/video camera: Sony FX3, Sony A7 III, Sony FDR AX 100, Canon 5D Mark III, GoPro Hero Black 7,8,9,10

Lenses for Sony: Tamron 28-75mm F/2.8 Di III , Sony 24mm gm 1.4 FE, Sony 20 mm G FE 1.8

Lenses for Canon: Canon EF 24-70 mm F/2.8 L USM, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L

Drone: DJI Mavic 3 & DJI Phantom 4 Pro v2.0

 

Editing: Vegas Pro 20 (365) with a lot of third party plugins, also my own plugins written in C#

 

PC:

CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7900X CPU @ 3.30GHz   3.31 GHz

RAM: 128 GB

GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080 TI

storage: 4 SSD drives (including two M.2 flash drives) and two HDD drives

Windows system: 10 Home edition

fr0sty wrote on 12/2/2017, 5:13 AM

"What format of footage is on your timeline? How was it created?"

This footage was actually a series of 720p TIF image sequences and jpeg images, which doesn't make sense that disabling MTS/AVC decoding with that plugin would do anything to help it, but it did. When it is enabled, no matter which format I'm using the encoder is likely to hang on a frame roughly 20% into the encode. It was like this before the update as well.

Last changed by fr0sty on 12/2/2017, 5:58 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

redpaw wrote on 12/2/2017, 6:39 AM

This illustrates what I'm talking about. This is a test video for a building I am video projection mapping for an architectural firm's 30th anniversary. I have a mask cropping the video so it does not extend beyond the building (just a png image that is black everywhere except for the building and clear where the building is, and another image of the building on the track above it with the compositing type set to overlay in order to simulate the effect of the image being projected onto the building), but as you can see some of the time if flickers through anyway.

I was able to at least get the render to stop freezing (NVENC) by disabling the mts/AVC so4 dll.

something similar happens to me too...

disabling so4 didnt help.. switching gpu altogether does help.

but also i got rid of that flickering when changing resolution of one of the graphics (the "death of a salesman" title) from 2120x1597 to 1300x979...

annoying...

 

 

pierre-k wrote on 12/2/2017, 7:48 AM

Please fix long-standing mistakes that keep me constantly:

ERROR WITH AUTO RIPPLE - ONLY VEGAS /12/13/14/15 (V11 is OK)

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/error-with-auto-ripple-vegas-12-13-14--104547/#ca646148

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/freeze-when-cut-event-w-autoripple-while-playing--101730/

 

LOW FPS IN PROTYPE TITLER WITH DROP SHADOW - VEGAS ALL VERSION

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bug-low-fps-with-sony-protype-titler-with-drop-shadow-and-more-vegas-11-14--104555/

 

EXTENDED MODE EDIT - DELAY UP TO 10 SECONDS

If the project has multiple tracks, returning from Extended to Normal takes up to 10 seconds!
I do not use this feature and I want to turn it off hard if it does not work quickly.
Tips: please do not double click, but triple click. Or hard disable and enable in Editing Tools.

 

TIME STRECH WITH CTRL key 0 - 1000fps and other ideas

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/innovation-tips-for-update-velocity-and-time-stretch--104874/

 

CLOSE THE ACTIVE POP-UP WINDOW WITH THE ESC key

Please close the active pop-up window (Transition, Video and Audio FX, Media Generators) with the ECS key. This is how Preferences works.

Thank you! :-)

Sorry my english.

NickHope wrote on 12/2/2017, 8:22 AM

@marcinzm Does this summarize the 2 issues (for this post)?

  • Shortcut for Polish character "ż" (Right ALT + X) closes the (Legacy) Text generator
  • Most Polish fonts cannot be used in Titles & Text and (Legacy) Text


It summerize 3 issues - you have to add one more issue that I put on the video.

Fonts list count on Titles & Text and (Legacy) Text are different. Some fonts are available in one font list in one text editor and in the another font list in another text editor are missing.

Thanks. I rephrased the first 2 and added them to that post, and I updated an existing issue to cover your 3rd issue. See this comment.

NickHope wrote on 12/2/2017, 8:27 AM

"What format of footage is on your timeline? How was it created?"

This footage was actually a series of 720p TIF image sequences and jpeg images, which doesn't make sense that disabling MTS/AVC decoding with that plugin would do anything to help it, but it did. When it is enabled, no matter which format I'm using the encoder is likely to hang on a frame roughly 20% into the encode. It was like this before the update as well.

That is indeed strange, and worthy of submitting a support request for (if you didn't already).

Cliff Etzel wrote on 12/2/2017, 12:31 PM

And why I haven't upgraded past Vegas 13 - and unless it has to be a very quick turnaround, I've gone back to Premiere Pro CS6 for my serious work - I wish it were otherwise.... I'll lurk off and on but stability - at the expense of ease of use - is more important to delivering to my clients on time...

Kinvermark wrote on 12/2/2017, 1:44 PM

These reports certainly don't inspire confidence.

I would like to test the new build for myself, but I can't because they have not reset the trial period. Something for Magix to think about, because they are effectively blocking sales.

altarvic wrote on 12/3/2017, 8:26 AM

Mask compositing mode was broken in build 261.

Here's the project: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wv41ubuyyza9ltx/Mask.veg?dl=0 

Preview window in previous Vegas versions:

 

Preview in this version:

NickHope wrote on 12/3/2017, 9:09 AM

Mask compositing mode was broken in build 261.

I get this behaviour with GPU acceleration both on or off:

Then I recreated your project as best I could and I get similar behaviour in VP10, 12 and 14.

Can you share a project from an earlier version than 15?

altarvic wrote on 12/3/2017, 11:10 AM

The sample project was created in V11 (the link above).

I created a letterbox as an example. In V15 it does not work as it should.

NickHope wrote on 12/3/2017, 7:55 PM

Sorry, I mistakenly thought it was a VP15 project.

Your project plays for me like in my screengrabbed video in all of VP12-15. No change in any of them. It doesn't look like your first screen shot in any version.

Lnrdgo wrote on 12/3/2017, 9:33 PM

Has anyone been having problems with the "Undo" in MAGIX Vegas Pro 15, (excuse the reference to "SONY", set. sheesh!) There's definately a bug somewhere in there. Most of the time the undo works, but there's been a few times when it doesn't. Anyone?

LongIslander wrote on 12/3/2017, 11:40 PM

I can fix the crash while importing 500 assorted videos/pictures if i import small amounts at a time (50 at a time) . Regardless when importing 1 large folder to the timeline vegas seems to have some memory issue that causes a crash.

LongIslander wrote on 12/4/2017, 3:13 AM

Update! Finally figured out my display driver crashes. Apparently Vegas Pro doesn't play nice when you have the system page file turned OFF. It needs to be on. Havent had 1 crash since!

altarvic wrote on 12/4/2017, 9:19 AM

Nick, here's another example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fv8ui2fhiljbn9z/Mask2.veg?dl=0

Look how the result in V11 differs from V15:

Marco. wrote on 12/4/2017, 9:50 AM

Yes, in this sample project in VP15 b.261 it passes transparent pixels as transparent, instead of calculating to zero and render as black.

You could argue which way is right and which is wrong. But it seems this only happens when using TrackMotion. Same process made with Pan/Crop and VP15 acts just like former Vegas versions and same is for the use of the Event opacity slider. So I also think this is a VP15 bug which affects TrackMotion plus compositing.

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