Vegas pro 18 Renders for 1 second freezes for 2 minutes and repeats

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Musicvid wrote on 3/6/2022, 5:37 PM

 

Source means your original files that you open in Vegas.

Output means your Rendered files FROM Vegas, in other words, the result. That's what we need to know in order to help you.

 

It does the same thing with this source/output.

  Folder: D:\Capture\KB DVD
  Type: AVC
  Size: 10.10 GB (10,344,035,515 bytes)
  Created: Thursday, July 23, 2020, 19:12:01
  Modified: Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 23:42:36
  Accessed: Sunday, March 6, 2022, 14:21:30
  Attributes:

Streams
  Video: 02:04:05.488, 59.941 (VFR) fps progressive, 720x480x32, AVC

That is obviously a Source and not an Output file, since Vegas does not render VFR (Variable Frame Rate).

VFR is also the likely cause of your problem, because it is not ingested well into Vegas.

Here is some basic vocabulary to help you get started with video editing and troubleshooting terminology.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/

Now, just to be sure, I need the Mediainfo and Vegas File Properties for both of the following:

  1. The Source file that you opened in (brought into) Vegas; and,
  2. The Output (Rendered) file that you made in Vegas, that is causing your problems during rendering.
  3. Both of these reports must be from the same Project, one that you are able to confirm that is causing you problems today, not something you remembered that previously caused problems.

I hope that is clear enough; I may not have time to look at it until next week, because I have some other things to get done today.

 

Kauffy wrote on 3/6/2022, 5:45 PM

I just re-tried the color bar rendering test:

3:17 to render 5 seconds of SMPTE color bars at 1920x1080 30fps.

Yeah, same problem.

Former user wrote on 3/6/2022, 5:51 PM

@Kauffy Ok it was just a suggestion, I was considering buying another RTX3090, so spending over £2k on another card I did plenty of research, a lot i didn't understand but the basic answer was 'no i wouldn't, everyone i spoke to said that not even with the modern NVLink it wouldn't really see a noticeable improvement in performance & might even conflict with the other esp if they don't match each other, but that's your choice, I hope you work it out 👍

Kauffy wrote on 3/6/2022, 6:11 PM

@Former user The 960 just sits idly by-- no, there's almost no benefit to having the two of them, unless the piece of software I'm using can specifically be assigned to either run on a specific GPU, or run against a bank of CUDA cores. I do a ton of other stuff with this system-- and I already had the 960. And, as I think I said, this was not an issue for Vegas 17.

@Musicvid I have one snippet of output of the above (I usually have to abort the renders), and I have the full render of the SampleProject 4K benchmark. Also, note that I included info for several sources (only one VFR-- previously, as in 17/18, Vegas didn't care at all about VFR) and maybe most importantly: Blank project, default 1080p template, insert color bars, render with identical template-- same issue. It really does do this with ANYthing I'm trying to render. I did a 15-minute screen grab session-- should I upload that to YouTube, or make another, shorter one?

This MediaInfo is for the output snippet that goes with the last input file I posted about, below that is the MediaInfo for the SampleProject 4K output.

General
Complete name                            : R:\KBDVD_New_2022_Vegas_19_Testing.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 21.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 20 s 487 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 8 901 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:13
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:13

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 20 s 487 ms
Bit rate                                 : 8 708 kb/s
Width                                    : 672 pixels
Height                                   : 512 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.422
Stream size                              : 21.3 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:23
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:23
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 20 s 480 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 473 KiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:23
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-04 03:40:23

 

General
Complete name                            : R:\SampleProject 4K.mp4

Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 100 MiB
Duration                                 : 41 s 840 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 20.1 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-06 00:50:14
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-06 00:50:14

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 41 s 840 ms
Bit rate                                 : 19.9 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.096
Stream size                              : 99.4 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-06 00:56:16
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-06 00:56:16
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 41 s 835 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 336 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 967 KiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-03-06 00:56:16
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-03-06 00:56:16

 

Musicvid wrote on 3/6/2022, 7:16 PM

Okiedoke, Fletcher

Before doing anything else, reset Vegas to its defaults, following these directions exactly:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-reset-vegas-pro-to-default-settings--104646/

Next, open Vegas and go to Options->Preferences->Video, and set GPU Acceleration of Video Processing to "Off." This is bc your 1070 graphics won't do you any good, even if you had the correct drivers.

Then, at the bottom of that window, click "Apply," then "OK," and shut down Vegas. Then, restart Vegas.

  1. Open some DV video in a brand new Project in Vegas, Match the Project to the Source.
  2. Then, farther down Project Properties, set Rendering Quality to "Best," and Deinterlace Method to "Interpolate." Click "Apply" and then "OK."
  3. Without making any further changes, Render your file to the Magix AVC "Internet 720p 29.97fps" template. If it appears, do not use the Nvidia NVENC or Intel QSV template with the same name. (Yes, it takes the render window a long time to load the first time).
  4. Better now? Make me a forever promise that you will never try to render 480i AVI DV Source to 4k HEVC Output.

Once you have gained some success and confidence with basic projects, you will find lots of good tutorials listed here. Please follow them, and ask good questions in another thread with a topic of your choosing. Until then...

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/got-questions-consult-the-tutorials-first-please--120282/

Have a happy one.

;?)

 

 

Kauffy wrote on 3/6/2022, 8:08 PM

@Musicvid I already did the Vegas default reset yesterday, before anything else.

I have also already turned off the GPU. Did that also, before anything else.

I have also rendered out color bars (no input video file at all) using both Sony and Magix AVC Internet 720p 29.97fps templates.

The ONLY difference here is that I have been using the NVENC... but read on...

FWIW, I'm trying it (30 seconds of SMTPE bars) using Intel QSV instead of NVENC. Again, the moment I hit Render, it just sits there. Task Manager shows the process as Not Responding. The shortest I've seen this inexplicable pause is about 30 seconds, but this time, I think it's probably just indefinite, so it's not even getting to the crap render part.

Thanks for taking the time to step in on this, though. It seems like I have done or changed has had any impact on the problem, for better or for worse. It's curious that the originator of the thread had the same issue, though had different intervals of time of render/freeze.

Cameron-Boland wrote on 3/6/2022, 8:17 PM

What I've done is go back to V17 for projects that just have to get done, but I have hit up the crew I work for yo get creative cloud. I'm moving away from Vegas suite entirely I thing. Image is OK, effects is hard to use and I can't find tutorials or support on specifics. Now that V sucks I'm out. I've officially had enough. Thanks for all the help and suggestions

Musicvid wrote on 3/6/2022, 8:20 PM

Fletcher, Have you rendered anything to the Magix AVC Software encoder (not NVENC, not QSV) as I proposed?

Then you may have exhausted the possibilities for peer support.

Vegas Creative Software support is here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/support/

Kauffy wrote on 3/6/2022, 9:16 PM

@Musicvid I believe the only two options I have for those = templates are NVENC and QSV, but I'll look again, because something stranger happened.

I connected an assembly debugger to see where the process was hanging and was able to collect some info that might be useful to Magix-- but then I decided to render to an image sequence, which seems the simplest. It ran one time with the typical halts, but I let it finish (~900 frames).

I then ran it a second and third time, and both times, it ran WITHOUT the hitching. Thinking something may have cached, I replaced the SMPTE bars with a color gradient and rendered again-- again, no troubles.

So, I reloaded one of the more complex (I mean, barely more) problematic projects I was testing with, and attempted a render to the template I had customized to match, and lo-and-behold, it is rendering without the hitching also.

I'm next going to try closing Vegas and restarting it and see if whatever it is has held. The render I'm doing now says about 40 minutes-- that Colorize filter is very expensive-- though it's proceeding evenly, as is expected behavior. I'm fine with a slow render when it's my fault.

<-- This is where it winds up hung. Not that useful without context, I realize.

Musicvid wrote on 3/6/2022, 9:52 PM

Fletcher,

The software encoder has neither NVENC nor QSV beside it. If you don't have it, most likely you do not have a legal software title from Vegas.

 

 

Kauffy wrote on 3/6/2022, 11:22 PM

Fletcher,

The software encoder has neither NVENC nor QSV beside it. If you don't have it, most likely you do not have a legal software title from Vegas.

 

 

Ahh.. AVC has the plain one, but now that the "blockage" is cleared, everything is rendering fine, including the AVC plain.

However, I just shut down Vegas, and restarted it, and upon restart of a Render, it did hang for a little bit (minute or two?) but then began rendering properly, without the hitches.

Maybe that's my problem solved? But what about others that might follow me?

(I did submit a ticket to Magix already, and I've pointed them to this thread, and given the information I got from the debugger-- I like Vegas, I just want to like liking Vegas).

 

Musicvid wrote on 3/7/2022, 12:10 AM

Given the Project and Source properties you posted, none of the Magix AVC templates would have an"=" next to them, so I guess we're not getting a complete picture, are we?

Not too worried about future users; the method I posted has remained essentially unchanged for well over ten years.

Good luck getting it sorted, my time in this thread is over, and do let us know how it resolves for you. Welcome to the peer support area for Vegas Pro.

Kauffy wrote on 3/7/2022, 12:26 AM

Yes, you are getting a complete picture-- if you read my posts. In the process of trying everything, I absolutely get templates with an = next to them. For example, my NO INPUT SOURCE and ONLY VEGAS-GENERATED content HD projects happily provide AVC templates with =. They also had this problem.

Again, it did not matter the source, nor the render target-- this issue was occurring. I'm sorry if I left room for any other impression whatsoever.

I know you're not worried about future users-- you aren't having this problem. The person who originated his thread (whose comment you probably didn't read either) expressed exactly what I was feeling the other night when I splashed out for the Post license upgrade and promptly had Vegas crash on me at almost the first activity.

So, I am passing along the technical info to Magix, to see if it yields an answer, and then I will return with information that actually might be useful to people in the future.

I will say, that if there are problems in software, I will find them. I don't even have to try-- I just seem to have bad luck (or the devs have bad luck, perspective depending). I've had many problems with various versions of Vegas over the years (the earliest emails related I could find were from 2009, but it's possible my Vegas relationship predates my Gmail account). However, this is actually first time ever that I've come searching about a specific problem with Vegas and found at least one other person who has the identical issue, not to mention recently and not, say, six years and seven versions earlier.

Thank you for your willingness to get involved.