Vegas VEG files cannot copy across a network from Win 7 to Win 10

Peyton-Todd wrote on 2/29/2020, 11:08 AM

When I try to copy a folder across a network from a Win 7 computer to a Win 10 computer, all file types seem to copy with no problem except for those ending in VEG. I can copy VEG files to a flash (aka thumb) drive and port them to the Win 10 computer that way, but when I try to copy them across the network I am told for each one that I need to have administrator privileges to do so. But Win 10 tells me that I am indeed an administrator (indeed I am the only one who has ever used this brand new Dell desktop computer.

Also, if I save the entire 6.5 GB folder to a flash drive and load that to a different Win 10 computer, I can indeed copy the entire folder to the above-mentioned Win 10 computer without a problem, including the VEG files.

Any ideas on what the problem could be?

Thanks.

P.S. These are Vegas 11.0 VEG files.

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Musicvid wrote on 2/29/2020, 11:25 AM

It's likely a platform restriction between networked Win7 and Win10, of which there are many.

Try renaming .Veg to .VegX or something and see if it goes.

fred-w wrote on 2/29/2020, 8:54 PM

You might try right clicking on the folder, or the file itself, and choose "take ownership." Try it from the computer you're importing to, first, and if that doesn't work, maybe then, as well, from the originating computer.

Peyton-Todd wrote on 3/1/2020, 8:08 AM

Thanks, guys, but neither of those solutions seems likely to solve the problem.

As to clicking on the folder and choosing "take ownership", I find no such option when I click on a folder.

Re-naming the VEG files to VEGX does seem likely to work for the files renamed in that fashion, but there are hundreds of these VEG files scattered (sometimes buried quite deeply) in numerous folders (it's a big project), and it would be too formidable a task to find them all, rename them, and then re-name them back to VEG when the transfer is completed. On the other hand... it just occurred to me that doing a Search for them and re-naming the resulting list in a 'Change All' might work, but how does one do a 'Change All' that in Win 7 and Win 10? If one chooses 'Rename' from right-click menu, it simply selects a single one of the files. (What I'm looking for is for the process to work as it is supposed to. If it were just a one time thing, it's just as easy to copy the folder to a flash drive and physically port it to the target computer, which sits right beside it on the desktop.)

 

john_dennis wrote on 3/1/2020, 9:38 AM

@Peyton-Todd

There was a period in 2019 when I ran a network with Windows 7 and Windows 10 machines. In order to share reliably and use Remote Desktop, I applied this solution. I've been unable to quickly go back to the original problem and solution on the Internet but, I saved the information from the original source in a text file. Perhaps, it will help.

Network Sharing after MS Update 1803

Vinster -- > 36,000 likes  • a day ago 

I've just applied this and now is working as before the patch:

A workaround has been published to address the issue. It modifies the Windows Registry and should be run on the system that hosts the share. Note that you need to run from an elevated command prompt.

reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\system /v LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

Reboot the PC.

The Registry entry defines how administrator credentials are applied for remote access. A value of 1 sets the restrictions to Audit mode.

Removal of the updates resolve the issue as well but will remove the security patches on the target system that Microsoft released in January 2019.

At some patch level the fix was no longer necessary. Now, all my systems are on Windows 10.

Editorial Comment: This is spit-balling at its most extreme, but to fix these problems takes a fair amount of disciplined analysis, or luck.

Musicvid wrote on 3/1/2020, 9:48 AM

Peyton, it's Windows, not a Vegas issue. @john_dennis knows.

I can rename thousands of files in just two clicks. And then name them back. The problems you imagine simply don't exist.

rraud wrote on 3/1/2020, 10:04 AM

How about zipping the all <.veg> files for a work around.

That said, I have never had a problem moving .veg files around a network with different OS

Musicvid wrote on 3/1/2020, 10:32 AM

Simplest solution, and it should be foolproof assuming uac isn't totally jacked by now, is to put all your files for transfer in your Public folder, for full workgroup access.

Please don't critique the inelegance -- it's how Windows designed it to work.

Peyton-Todd wrote on 3/1/2020, 7:57 PM

To rraud:I guess I could just try it, but can one really ZIP 6.5 GG to a single file with no problem?

To Musicvid: Yes, I'd very much like to know how to rename them all in two clicks! Thanks in advance.

And as to the Public folder, I find one on my new Win 10 PC, but none on my old Win 7 PC. And on which computer would such files be actually be stored? (Or does that question just reveal my ignorance?) Also, an important reason for having this network (apart from what I expect to be a protracted process of gradually switching over to Win 10) concerns two separate laptops, whose differing the contents must be taken to different places at different times after that content is developed on the main desktop.

To John Dennis: First, could you tell me what the 'elevated command prompt' is? Is it the text box that I see in Win 7 when I click on the multicolored windows icon in the lower left hand corner, and in Win 10 when I click the same icon (but blue in color), and type 'R'? And your phrase "reg add HKLM etc", is that what I should to key into that text box? And when you say it should be run on the system that hosts the share, do you mean the place I'm copying from or the one I'm copying to? As far as I know, none of the computers on my network is the boss in some sense.

Thanks to all.

Rednroll wrote on 3/1/2020, 8:34 PM

Seems really odd, that it's just the .VEG files giving you grief. I've always run into problems in the past setting up each PC and copying files from one PC to another over my network. I gave up on it a long time ago.

Not sure if this is a solution that will work for you or not, but here's what I do instead and may be worth trying.

I have an Asus router which has two USB ports. Connected to each of those ports I have a 5TB Seagate Backup Plus USB HDD (The ones that don't require an external power supply connection) 10TB total network storage. On each PC I have those network USB HDDs mapped as a network drive. I regularly backup to those network drives using a free folder sync utility app called "FreeFileSync". This is not a necessary part of the recipe, but it makes copying files simpler and more reliable.

https://freefilesync.org/

I install the FFS program on all of my PCs which connect to my home network. I just use Free File sync to transfer my project files on my local PC to the Network HDD connected to my router. Once a folder pair is created in FreeFileSync it's a one button press operation to transfer files from my PC to the Network HDD. Then I go on the other PC after the transfer is complete and use FreeFileSync to copy the files from the Network HDD to my other PC. It would be a 2 step process for you compared to what you're trying to do now, but for me I'm regularly backing up to my network HDDs anyways, so it's really not that big of a deal. Plus once the files are transferred to the Network drive, it opens up a lot more possibilities, such as I can transfer the files to/from my Android OS devices. As well, Asus routers have a utility you can enable on them called "AiCloud", where once that is enabled I can access the files on those Network HDDs from anywhere with any device as long as I have an internet connection and a browser.

Just a suggestion if you can't get your current woes figured out. It's made my life easier in multiple ways of being able to transfer files from one device to any other device either across my home network or from being able to access them remotely and it has never made a bit of a difference which OS was installed on each device.

 

Musicvid wrote on 3/1/2020, 9:23 PM

To Musicvid: Yes, I'd very much like to know how to rename them all in two clicks! Thanks in advance.

xcopy Input\*.veg Output\*.vegX

Or, put your files in your Public folder. Neither is particularly hard.

Peyton-Todd wrote on 3/3/2020, 7:35 PM

To Rednroll: Yes, it's odd that it would be just the .VEG files. What's even odder is that I was mistaken when I concluded based the fact that every one of many many error messages was about a .VEG file meant that the problem was with all .VEG files. Nope. It came to my attention later that 141 of the 125 .VEG files in the folder did get copied (there are hundreds of .VEG files on the disc but just 225 in this particular folder). I have been unable to determine what distinguishes the successes and the failures.

As to your proposed solution, if I understand correctly, you're just copying to an external drive that's linked to the network, then copying from there to the target computer (helped along, of course by half your process being automatic. I presume this works even though it's over a network is that the external drive doesn't impose the same security checks that the PCs do. Is that right?  

To rrau: I'm thinking the WinZip solution should work eventually, but would be time-consuming. It took a VERY long time to run WinZip on the 14.6GB folder I want to copy before it finally bombed, having reduced the size by only about 10% or so according to its statistical report. Perhaps this is because its large size is mostly due to video clips (indeed I would fervently hope it would not reduce any of them via a lossy codec!). I said 'eventually' because I just installed the latest WinZip versions on both PCs, and will try again with those new versions.  
 

To John_dennis (Or Musicvid, since you recommended his solution)
  I still want to know: 
1. What's meant by "the system that hosts the share"? As far as I now my system is entirely peer-to-peer. Should I assume that the PC I'm copying into would be the one whose registry I would update? 
2.  What is an elevated command prompt? Do you mean the text box I get when I click on the Start button in the lower left corner? 
3.  Is the phrase "reg add HKLM...(etc)" exactly what I should key into the box? (I hope so. I've updated registry keys (never added one) a few times in the past, but it always scares me.)

To Musicvid: I haven't tried the renaming solution yet since I suspect based on what I related to Rednroll that it's not a matter of the file extension name but rather of some particular property of each of the files (I haven't inspected them yet). Just so I understand, though: where would I run xcopy? From the same text box where I presume I would enter john_dennis's command to modify the registry? And would xcopy be smart enough to put all the .VEG files in the same folders on the target that they were in on the source?

Peyton-Todd wrote on 3/3/2020, 7:48 PM

To MusicVid: I forgot to ask: where would the files in the Public folder actually reside? On the PC that they were dragged there from? And could a second PC copy them down from there as a way to by-pass the simple direct copy method that I tried unsuccessfully? One reason I ask is that for times which my main computer fails in some way that requires a week or so in the custody of geek squad (twice in the past already over the years) I want a functioning computer standing by that enables me to continue my work, which, in case you're curious, concerns a book I'm writing about deaf sign language (ASL), hence all the video.

 

john_dennis wrote on 3/3/2020, 8:27 PM

@Peyton-Todd

"To John_dennis (Or Musicvid, since you recommended his solution)
  I still want to know: 
1. What's meant by "the system that hosts the share"? As far as I now my system is entirely peer-to-peer. Should I assume that the PC I'm copying into would be the one whose registry I would update? 
2.  What is an elevated command prompt? Do you mean the text box I get when I click on the Start button in the lower left corner? 
3.  Is the phrase "reg add HKLM...(etc)" exactly what I should key into the box? (I hope so. I've updated registry keys (never added one) a few times in the past, but it always scares me.)"

I didn't forget about you, I've been ignoring you. Though that registry entry worked for me when the maintenance levels were different between Windows 10 and Windows 7 last year, when you ask questions like "What is an elevated command prompt?", I don't want to be the one to unleash you on your registry.

Musicvid wrote on 3/3/2020, 8:38 PM

Peyton,

1. Put a file in the Public folder on computer A.

2. Access the file in that folder from networked computer B.

That's what they're there for, why don't you try it? Might just work.

Likewise, I can't advise further on Win 7/10 networking, or learning the command prompt. Google has you abundantly covered there, and good luck.