21gb file after 1.15 hour rendering from almost 11 min video in 4k

j-v wrote on 9/13/2020, 10:31 AM

Depends on the reason for rendering.
With that Intermediate codec your are rendering for other use in an edit program without any loss.
For rendering as MP4 for downloads,viewing or uploading you can better use Magix AVC or HEVC with the desired template. Renders much faster and to a smaller file.

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 11:19 AM

Now I was using HEVC/AAC MP4 but pressed cancel after 1 hour .... done with 52%

Template info:

"Use this setting to create an MP4 (HEVC/AAC) file for progressive internet downloads using NVIDIA's NVENC.
Audio: 320 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 29.970 fps, 3840x2160 Progressive, NV12, 24 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000"

I just don't get it :(

Musicvid wrote on 9/13/2020, 12:55 PM

I just don't get it :(

And no one will, until you post your file properties for both your source and render.

Exact instructions are here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

j-v wrote on 9/13/2020, 1:26 PM

+ used program and buildnumber, used hardware and Nvidia Gpu with installelled drivernumber.

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 1:32 PM

I got down to 55 min. and 3,26 gb with these settings, which is normal size but long rendering time. Maybe normal rendering time in Vegas ;)

I did use this settings this time to create an:

MP4 (AVC/AAC) file for progressive internet downloads using NVidia's NVENC.
Audio: 384 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 29.970 fps, 3840x2160 Progressive, NV12, 44 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000

Max:bps: 56000000

Average bps: 44000000

RC Mode - High quality

Video rendering quality: Best

Color space: Default (Maybe i try later with Rec. 709 but not tonight :) )

Musicvid wrote on 9/13/2020, 1:34 PM

Goody. If you would like peer support from this forum, follow the intructions already given.

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 1:43 PM

i already deleted the other files but here is Mediainfo from the my last file that i can accept and will upload on YT :)

Thank you for the tips guys ;)

General
Complete name : C:\Users\brynj\Documents\Søblomsten 2020.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size : 3.11 GiB
Duration : 11 min 29 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 38.8 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:22
Tagged date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:22

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 11 min 29 s
Bit rate : 38.4 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154
Stream size : 3.08 GiB (99%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:33
Tagged date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:33
Color range : Limited
Codec configuration box : avcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 11 min 29 s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 384 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 471 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 31.4 MiB (1%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:33
Tagged date : UTC 2020-09-13 16:41:33

j-v wrote on 9/13/2020, 2:21 PM

Your source has a bitrate of average 38.4 Mb/s, in that case your choosen bitrate for HEVC output is much to high.

john_dennis wrote on 9/13/2020, 2:23 PM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

"55 min. and 3,26 gb with these settings, which is normal size but long rendering time."

"Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154"

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that render for UHD upload to Youtube. Whether it was a "long rendering time" is a value judgement that none of us can comment on without knowing more about your system besides the fact that you have and nvidia video adapter.

john_dennis wrote on 9/13/2020, 2:31 PM

@j-v

The render is not HEVC. It's AVC

HEVC would look like this:

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L6.2@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 29 s 997 ms
Bit rate                                 : 38.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.153
Stream size                              : 136 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-09-13 19:28:13
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-09-13 19:28:13
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 2:56 PM

yes that's right👍 ...... this file I'm showing right now is the video I "managed" to render correctly, in the third attempt. Took about an hour which I think is a long time but can live with it.😁

Intermediate HQ was my no. 1 that I tried and did not work. (was a bit over 21gb at done rendering😂)
HEVC / AAC mp4 was no. 2 that I tried and did not work.(pushed cancel after 1 hour, 52% done)
AVC / AAC mp4 was no. 3 that I tried and it worked fine, slow rendering but works, about one hour ;)

Maybe this has something to do with the computer but I'm using

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-core, 3.59GHz, 16gb ram and GeForce RTX 2060 Super.

I own also MEP and VPX but wanted to go for "more powerful" software. Vegas pro has more features than VPX but is much slower and it's kind of sad......but I'm going to try to find "right" settings to have it run smoothly. So far i have not found them but I have only had Vegas pro for a month now.

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 3:05 PM

Having said that, I'm going to give Vegas pro a try for a while ..... I just find it strange that when I use VPX the playback of my film clips are completely clear and nice and without any lagging. When I use Vegas pro it is lagging and playback is blurry but once rendered the video is very nice, in top quality. I've watched some youtube videos about Vegas pro smooth settings but they are not working for me .... I am still looking for the "right" video 😇

fr0sty wrote on 9/13/2020, 3:23 PM

VEGAS Pro automatically adjusts the quality of the preview based on your system's ability to play back the video. 32GB RAM is recommended to edit 4K video, otherwise your system should be good for it.

Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 9/13/2020, 3:36 PM

ok...thanks for the tips @fr0sty 👍......just remarkable that VPX doesn't even sweat on 4k playback....but Vegas Pro does...

j-v wrote on 9/13/2020, 3:48 PM

@j-v

The render is not HEVC. It's AVC

Sorry all , I read that wrong.