Best Method for rendering from handbrake mp4?

smoothbrain wrote on 4/16/2018, 9:30 AM

Hi, I'm pretty new to Vegas Pro. I have 14 and want lossless rendering from mp4 files encoded from handbrake. I also have the same files as mkv if that's better for rendering. My goal is to have a lossless or close to lossless video file in mp4, with reasonable file sizes. What is the best rendering method to use? I prefer to use the rendering methods already in vegas pro, but I'm willing to download something else if it's the best.

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Musicvid wrote on 4/16/2018, 9:42 AM

The only mathematically lossless render will be uncompressed, which will be many times larger than your original, and is unsuited for delivery.

Now if you will tell us what your needs, your workflow, and intended use for your video will be, someone will help you get there without preconditions. Read here first:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

smoothbrain wrote on 4/16/2018, 10:14 AM

If it wasn't clear before, not only am I pretty new to Vegas Pro, I don't have much experience with video editing. When you ask for "your needs, your workflow, and intended use", I'm not 100% sure what you mean. This is just a very casual project, and I just want to splice some mp4 files together with as little lossy quality as possible, with a reasonable file size. If you want me to be more specific, the file isn't even HD, it's just DVD quality. I just don't want the pixelation that I get with a couple of rendering methods I tried, and seems absent from encoding in handbrake.

Musicvid wrote on 4/16/2018, 10:39 AM

The link I provided tells you how to provide file properties, not only for your Handbrake files, but the files you will be combining them with in the timeline.

"Intended use" means, "How to you plan to use and display your rendered video?"

Pixelated renders means your Vegas settings are incorrect, and that is what we hope to be able to help you with. But if we can't see what you are working with, your peers will be unable to help you.

Thanks for understanding.

Vliegvisser wrote on 4/16/2018, 11:55 AM

What is the best rendering method to use?

To me it looks that you use also Handbrake as script with the same settings you used to make that mp4 in Handbrake.

smoothbrain wrote on 4/16/2018, 12:51 PM

The link I provided tells you how to provide file properties, not only for your Handbrake files, but the files you will be combining them with in the timeline.

"Intended use" means, "How to you plan to use and display your rendered video?"

Pixelated renders means your Vegas settings are incorrect, and that is what we hope to be able to help you with. But if we can't see what you are working with, your peers will be unable to help you.

Thanks for understanding.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11SyLiSgwRvFkEFlBDPn3mHMTLiTUyPnw

This will link to some txt files that relay info about my system, as well as the mp4 files I'm using. Let me know if you need anything else.

Musicvid wrote on 4/16/2018, 1:26 PM

You will want to first re-encode your three files to Constant Frame Rate, and the display aspect that matches your source aspect. You will have terrible luck otherwise

smoothbrain wrote on 4/16/2018, 2:36 PM

You will want to first re-encode your three files to Constant Frame Rate, and the display aspect that matches your source aspect. You will have terrible luck otherwise

Even if I have it "same as source" box checked in handbrake (for all the mp3 files, and they're all the exact same framerate)?

Musicvid wrote on 4/16/2018, 5:06 PM

Constant Frame Rate, Same as Source. Good luck!

john_dennis wrote on 4/16/2018, 5:26 PM

smoothbrain wrote on 4/16/2018, 6:41 PM

Constant Frame Rate, Same as Source. Good luck!

So I re-encoded with constant frame rate, what setting do I actually use for rendering? Since I said the file was only DVD quality, I wanted to use the 480p rendering option in MainConcept AVC/AAC, or is there something that fits better? I want as lossless as possible with reasonable file sizes.

smoothbrain wrote on 4/17/2018, 5:27 PM

@Musicvid I don't mean to bother you but do you know the answer to my last reply? I don't want my post to be buried unanswered. I tried a couple of methods with the new mp4 files and they're still pretty lossy.

Musicvid wrote on 4/17/2018, 5:58 PM

Yes it will be lossy. That is from my first reply.

Now to you, does lossy mean "smaller" or does it mean visible losses that can be demonstrated with side by side comparisons. If the latter, post those comparisons along with MediaInfo details for both files.

You​​​​ do have options to raise the bitrate in Mainconcept.

If you are just joining and not editing, you have the option to do it all as a batch queue in Handbrake.

Time for you to start experimenting and make some really good mistakes! Best.