Color Correction - Too Much Red On Skin/Face?

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 4:31 PM

Can I get some guidance (I'm sure there is a good tutorial somewhere on this) on using color correction on my face/skin? I seem to have a bit to much red in my cheeks in my recent tests. this is confirmed when I look at the RGB Parade scope. The red is much higher than the green or blue.

It seems like there should be a way to use the Vegas color correction tools to get this more balanced. And I THOUGHT I had watched a Vegas Pro tutorial on it once. but I cannot seem to find anything. All my Google searches that lead to Vegas Pro Color correction all use landscapes or other non-person video clip for an example. Can someone point me in the direction of a tutorial for color correction for skin tones? Thanks!

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Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 4:37 PM

Got an uncorrected picture? That is the only way we'll know what can be done.

Unfortunately, watching a tutorial does not teach color correction. Only years of experience can.

Learn to correctly identify RGBCMY. That is only the beginning. In the meantime, let our gurus help you.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 4:57 PM

Here is a still from this testing session. I've tried to implement what you guys told me regarding key and fill lighting, and hopefully that part is better. But I do seem to have a bit too much red in my face, yeah?

karma17 wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:02 PM

I don't know right off hand if there is one specifically for skin tones in Vegas, so what you might have to do is watch how it is done in any other NLE and simply transfer those concepts over to Vegas. Vegas does have a nice set of color correction tools now. I've always liked Larry Jordan, but he's not a Vegas guy. But still, if you watch the tutorials, you can figure out what you need to do in Vegas all the way to applying animated masks now, so the correction can be isolated to just the face if needed.

Red Giant also has Cosmo, that plugs into Vegas and that's pretty quick and easy, but it is expensive and probably overkill for what you need.

Here's a couple of his tutorials.

 

 

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:04 PM

Thanks. I'll check those out.

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:27 PM

Here's my take. Start there, and make tiny adjustments until it suits you.

Lighting is much better. Congratulations!

It's just your camera's white balance. Also, this image is quite soft. What camera are you using?

 

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:28 PM

I don't know right off hand if there is one specifically for skin tones in Vegas, so what you might have to do is watch how it is done in any other NLE and simply transfer those concepts over to Vegas. Vegas does have a nice set of color correction tools now. I've always liked Larry Jordan, but he's not a Vegas guy. But still, if you watch the tutorials, you can figure out what you need to do in Vegas all the way to applying animated masks now, so the correction can be isolated to just the face if needed.

Red Giant also has Cosmo, that plugs into Vegas and that's pretty quick and easy, but it is expensive and probably overkill for what you need.

Here's a couple of his tutorials.

 

 

He talks a lot about "the skin tone line" in the Vectorscope. And it SEEMS he means a line that goes 45 degrees up and to the left. But I'm not seeing an actual definition of that. Do you know how he actually defines the skin tone line? This is important because in the 2nd tutorial, he sees a flatter line and says it's too yellow and needs correction to get it back to the skin tone line. Thoughts?

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:30 PM

Skin tone line is just a starting point, but a pretty good one. Vegas scopes don't show it.

The AAVColorLab tool is all you need for this job.

 

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 5:45 PM

Here's my take. Start there, and make tiny adjustments until it suits you.

Lighting is much better. Congratulations!

It's just your camera's white balance. Also, this image is quite soft. What camera are you using?

 

 

Thanks! I'm using a Canon Vixia HF21.

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 6:02 PM

Really? Take it in and have the lens professionally cleaned. Don't try to do it yourself, because the coating is very fragile

Did you white balance?

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 6:34 PM

I did do a custom white balance. I have a white balance reference card and put it where I would be standing. Then I zoomed in to where it filled the screen and hit the button to set the white balance. I've always had a soft image from this camera. I was advised to just use a sharpen effect in Vegas, which is what I've always done. So how do I know for certain the lens is dirty? When you mentioned it last time, I just wiped it with Windex. Are you saying I might have damaged the lens that way? Sheesh!

wwjd wrote on 12/10/2019, 8:22 PM

Skin tone line is just a starting point, but a pretty good one. Vegas scopes don't show it.

The AAVColorLab tool is all you need for this job.

 

I'm pulling reds down in AAVColorLab all the time. Usually down to 75% or a little higher. depends on the face :)

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 8:38 PM

Canon glass is better than that, or they've really gone downhill. Do you know if its ever been dropped?

Former user wrote on 12/10/2019, 9:15 PM

Don't use Windex. Use a cleaner designed for camera lenses.

Musicvid wrote on 12/10/2019, 9:21 PM

I did do a custom white balance. I have a white balance reference card and put it where I would be standing

Maybe your white balance card is a little too cool for portraiture. What color temperature are your lights?

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 9:21 PM

Canon glass is better than that, or they've really gone downhill. Do you know if its ever been dropped?

Never been dropped, as far as I can remember. I've had the thing for like 8 or 9 years. But I don't think it has ever been dropped.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/10/2019, 9:26 PM

I did do a custom white balance. I have a white balance reference card and put it where I would be standing

Maybe your white balance card is a little too cool for portraiture. What color temperature are your lights?

The key light is a 5,600K CFL. The fill is a an RX-8T 5,600. both have diffusion over them.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/11/2019, 3:54 PM

I bought some camera lens cleaning stuff today from the local camera shop and cleaned my lens with it. You had mentioned that my image looked a bit too soft. Here is an image from a test I did AFTER cleaning the lens. Does the image look sharper to you? I also put some makeup on under my eyes to help make it look less white. Thoughts?

Musicvid wrote on 12/11/2019, 6:50 PM

Yes it is sharper and WB looks right, too.

Fix the gap in the backdrop and you're almost ready for prime time!

You can easily add matching side panels in post.

 

JJKizak wrote on 12/11/2019, 6:53 PM

Those flesh tones remind me of the old VHS tapes which are almost in-correctable. I doubt a 2 million dollar pro conversion machine can correct that. But remember this-- I am an armature and most of the time I am wrong.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/11/2019, 8:10 PM

Yes it is sharper and WB looks right, too.

Fix the gap in the backdrop and you're almost ready for prime time!

You can easily add matching side panels in post.

 

Thanks! I have an ACTUAL backdrop. That stuff behind me is just acoustic foam. Thanks so much for the feedback!

Alex-Pitel wrote on 12/12/2019, 3:34 AM

Face skin almast always has red spots, because you have blood, especially on cheeks. All you need - is "cosmo" from Red Giant. You can also use beutybox, imagenomic for video, bcc, etc. But cosmo is better for just toning you skin.

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adis-a3097 wrote on 12/12/2019, 5:10 AM

Those flesh tones remind me of the old VHS tapes which are almost in-correctable. I doubt a 2 million dollar pro conversion machine can correct that. But remember this-- I am an armature and most of the time I am wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=armature

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ByronK wrote on 12/13/2019, 2:11 AM

Here's a good tutorial on color grading skin tones.

Watch from the beginning for good tips on color grading techniques.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 12/13/2019, 12:19 PM

Thanks!