converting old VHS and DV home movies

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:17 PM

Hi, I used to have more time for editing (which is just a hobby), bought Vegas 8 and 9 Pro, DVD Architect, and Spotted Eagle's book on 8, and even bought the "Absolute Training" video set, which I never did watch. But then several life events interrupted, and it's been several years. Now I'd like to convert several of our home videos and create DVDs to give my brother (of the ones of our parents) and create videos for youtube or vimeo from the somewhat more recent videos of my sons.

I've already captured almost all the old VHS tapes using a VHS player and a DV camera that has pass-through, along with firewire. But I need to capture some more videos that another relative had.

My main question is whether it's worthwhile to upgrade to Vegas Pro 16. I'm sure it'll render must faster, and probably even have faster workflows. I don't want to just render the videos as-is, but do sensible editing.

Other question is whether there are some good guides on color correction, etc, and whether folks just go with the black bars or actually zoom in to get the 16:9 format.

Finally, probably a very dumb question - but is there any point in rendering to Blu Ray rather than dvd?

I really have a lot of catching up to do!

Thanks, everyone.

oh, just thought of this - would the newer version be better or worse for capturing video using my approach or the same? I'm going to set up my guest computer for capturing the remaining videos (quite a few hours of tapes, actually), so I could install 9 on it, or 16 if I buy the upgrade. I already have 9 installed on my main computer.

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Red Prince wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:35 PM

Finally, probably a very dumb question - but is there any point in rendering to Blu Ray rather than dvd?

If the originals came from a VHS tape, there is no point in rendering to Blu-ray. VHS has lower quality than DVD, while Blu-ray has 16 times the resolution of DVD. While there is a way of upresing, that does not add any new information (i.e., no new detail), it just makes everything bigger without making it better.

A DV camera is better than VHS, but it is still only as good as DVD at best, so again, no point of rendering to Blu-ray.

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Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:41 PM

Thanks, Red Prince. Since I'm still very, very much a novice - but may like to do some things like add a slight highlight to a person, etc - any thoughts on whether VP 9 is sufficient or going to 16 is worthwhile? I have a much nicer rig now, and I think 16 uses my nvidia card, while I'm not sure 9 does.

Thanks again.

greg-b wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:42 PM

I did the same thing, VHS converted to digital using a DV camera to convert. I burned it all to Blu-ray because they hold so much more. I broke it down into Chapters according to events or dates. It worked out very well because now I can go directly to the Chapter I want to see.

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:45 PM

I did the same thing, VHS converted to digital using a DV camera to convert. I burned it all to Blu-ray because they hold so much more. I broke it down into Chapters according to events or dates. It worked out very well because now I can go directly to the Chapter I want to see.

Wow, excellent point! Ok, dumb question, but just how much footage *will* a Blu-ray hold? You bring up an excellent point.

Question, though, Red Prince makes a good point that Blu-Ray is much higher resolution. How do your converted VHS movies look? I know we'll never improve them (it's VHS), but I'm trying to not reduce the quality any more than I have to.

Thanks!

EricLNZ wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:47 PM

As an aside you can put your SD mpeg on a Blu-ray disk. Useful if you want to get more on a disk than a DVD can handle (25 gb compared to 4.7 gb). Your Blu-ray player will then upscale to HD for your TV and generally do a better job than software upscaling or your TV's upscaling.

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:50 PM

As an aside you can put your SD mpeg on a Blu-ray disk. Useful if you want to get more on a disk than a DVD can handle (25 gb compared to 4.7 gb). Your Blu-ray player will then upscale to HD for your TV and generally do a better job than software upscaling or your TV's upscaling.

Cool, thanks! That sounds very nice, both the size and the upscaling. I talked to my brother, and he still has a DVD player, so I'd probably render Blu-Ray for my family and DVD for him, and some of the other stuff to youtube.

I'm pretty sure my old VP 9 doesn't do Blu-Ray, so that's a consideration now. Thanks again.

EricLNZ wrote on 11/18/2018, 7:56 PM

You should export from VP9 as mpg video and audio streams and use DVDA to compile your DVD and Blu-ray discs. That's assuming you have a DVDA version that does Blu-ray. What version is your DVDA?

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 8:06 PM

You should export from VP9 as mpg video and audio streams and use DVDA to compile your DVD and Blu-ray discs. That's assuming you have a DVDA version that does Blu-ray. What version is your DVDA?

I think it’s version 5, I’ll check it when I get back to my computer later. Thanks!

i googled, and it looks like it does! Thanks!

EricLNZ wrote on 11/18/2018, 8:19 PM

In DVDA you need to go to Project Properties and the Disc Format tab to switch between disc types.

Musicvid wrote on 11/18/2018, 8:23 PM

Latest versions of Vegas and Architect are worth checking out (that's why they have free trials!).

However, no legacy functions such as SD capture, editing, rendering, or disc authoring have been updated since about 2006, iirc. Not needed for your stated purpose.

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/18/2018, 8:33 PM

As a newbie and first-time commented on the Magic forums, I want to thank you all for such great info, and great point about the free trial. I will definitely check it out and compare. Thanks, all!

Musicvid wrote on 11/18/2018, 8:37 PM

We don't always get that response, so your validation is well received.

Former user wrote on 11/19/2018, 5:55 AM

@Kerry-Batts

I did a similar project last year, using the same capture method. I made blue-ray and dvd .iso's plus .mp4's of each complete project plus the same trio for any major project subset.

I mostly didn’t create disc menus so I was able to use VP's create BR .iso directly, discs were then created later. VP doesn’t have a dvd 1 click direct to .iso option, for this I purchased Vegaseur which does.

BR discs may last longer than dvd, the .iso files will probably last even longer if carefully backed up.

Red Princes points are valid of course, but BR looks fine on a good tv.

 

j-v wrote on 11/19/2018, 6:40 AM

Maybe a little warning.
DVD and Bluray are already old stuff nowaday.
Much new hardware desktop or laptop has no discreaders anymore.
Companies likes Magix and others are not renewing and updating their old versions of dics making programs likes DVDA from Magix.
That one is not updated for the last 3 years.
Discplayers are not manufactured anymore, all what is made in earlier days is now and than being sold at some shops.
Modern Players and TV's are using most USB or network connected devices and stored media and do have very little HDMI or even scart connectors.

More than 10 years ago I recaptured for the last time all my VHS and DV video and stored them on a few harddiscs from where I the last 5 years made mp4 files for storing on a little 2,5 inch harddisk that is connected on the back of my TV and that one I can take where ever I go with a modern player.

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ryclark wrote on 11/19/2018, 6:51 AM

Companies likes Magix and others are not renewing and updating there old versions of dics making programs likes DVDA from Magix.
That one is not updated the last 3 years.

My copy of DVD Architect 7 .exe file is dated 1st Jan 2018. That seems rather less than 3 years without an update. 😕

 

Red Prince wrote on 11/19/2018, 10:58 AM

not renewing and updating their old versions of dics

Uh oh, a Freudian slip?

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j-v wrote on 11/19/2018, 11:01 AM

Mines are of later dates, but does it say something about updates for the program other than names? With me nothing has change in the program the last 3 years other than the name Magix and the license of the AC3 Pro bfiles.

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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j-v wrote on 11/19/2018, 11:04 AM

not renewing and updating their old versions of dics

Uh oh, a Freudian slip?

I think so and besides that English is not my own language, so I make a lot of faults

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/19/2018, 11:11 AM

Maybe a little warning.
DVD and Bluray are already old stuff nowaday.
Much new hardware desktop or laptop has no discreaders anymore.
Companies likes Magix and others are not renewing and updating their old versions of dics making programs likes DVDA from Magix.
That one is not updated for the last 3 years.
Discplayers are not manufactured anymore, all what is made in earlier days is now and than being sold at some shops.
Modern Players and TV's are using most USB or network connected devices and stored media and do have very little HDMI or even scart connectors.

More than 10 years ago I recaptured for the last time all my VHS and DV video and stored them on a few harddiscs from where I the last 5 years made mp4 files for storing on a little 2,5 inch harddisk that is connected on the back of my TV and that one I can take where ever I go with a modern player.

Ok, I can tell that I'm stuck in the past, LOL. As with you, I have quite a few DV video files on multiple drives (I'm paranoid about losing them, so I've created a few multiple backups), and need to finish loading the new ones. In fact, I have some friends who are now asking me to convert their old movies, so I'll do their stuff soon, too.

While the new features from 16 look fantastic, I think I'll first try out my VP 9 and look into just creating movies for putting on USB sticks (or even an external drive, as you mentioned). I'm going to capture the raw dvi files using my pass-through camera.

Question, j-v, so you just rendered to mp4? No menus then, right? Honestly, though, with home movies, it would probably just be better to create separate files rather than menus. For example, my wife and I took a trip to Banff back the 80s and I lugged around a HUGE video camera. Now I'd like to convert that, and I could just break it into multiple files if it's too large for one viewing, right?

j-v wrote on 11/19/2018, 11:56 AM

Question, j-v, so you just rendered to mp4? No menus then, right? Honestly, though, with home movies, it would probably just be better to create separate files rather than menus. For example, my wife and I took a trip to Banff back the 80s and I lugged around a HUGE video camera. Now I'd like to convert that, and I could just break it into multiple files if it's too large for one viewing, right?

I render to mp4 in two codecs for newer and older players.
1. For the newer players and TV with this HEVC codec using the newest option of My VPro 16 Edit

dimensions and framerate depending dimensions and framerate of the source video and
2. for older players and TV with this AVC codec of Vpro 16

with the same restrictions.
They render very fast and with very good quality
BTW. Capturing video goes in VPro 16 with the same app in Vegas Pro for me from version 8 -16, so it does not matter if you capture old video in 9 and use those captured files from that version on till 16.

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Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Kerry-Batts wrote on 11/19/2018, 11:56 AM

Hey, all, I just found a problem and I'm going to check on VP 16 to see if it resolves it, but wanted to also see if any of you have faced this. I have multiple file types over the years, from avi (raw from the vhs), m2i, and now mov (with my Canon 70D). I just tried to load a .mov file into VP 9, and it says it needs quicktime, but Apple dropped QT support quite a while back.

Just curious, have any of you had to deal with .mov files?

I'm going to install the VP 16 free trial to see if it'll load the files. Thanks again!

j-v wrote on 11/19/2018, 12:04 PM

Just curious, have any of you had to deal with .mov files?

thanks again

Try it yourself with the Trial of Vpro 16, for me no problems with the few mov's I sometimes have to use.

 

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Former user wrote on 11/19/2018, 12:07 PM

I still use QT with no issues on windows 10

Chief24 wrote on 11/19/2018, 12:43 PM

Hi Kerry,

Try this link from Derek Moran (a.k.a. Dr. Zen), of Movie Studio Zen on YouTube/Website.

https://www.moviestudiozen.com/free-tutorials/sony-movie-studio-platinum/75-install-apple-quicktime-when-using-sony-vegas-movie-studio-hd-platinum-11

He also has a couple of other posts that may help concerning QuickTime. Lile David-tu, I also have QuickTime on my Windows 10 machine. Besides, having it installed makes using any needed file/codec types in HitFilm Express or DaVinci Resolve 15 Basic much simpler and smoother. For me at least.

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