Fades Artifacts

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john_dennis wrote on 6/28/2022, 3:07 PM

@john.b

Where did you get jpg files with 4:2:2 chroma subsampling? So far, everything I've found on my machine is 4:4:4.

I haven't stopped looking.

john.b wrote on 6/28/2022, 3:36 PM

@Yelandkeil @Illusion @Musicvid now i have a better view of the problem, I produce audio and I am always dealing with sample rates, bit resolutions, dithering and stuff like that..

@john_dennis understood, the files come from the Sony DSC-QX30 (16:9 option active)

Thank you all

 

john_dennis wrote on 6/28/2022, 4:08 PM

"I haven't stopped looking."

I looked at a sample of the files from all my digital cameras and they all record JPG stills at 4:2:2 in spite of what I output from Photoshop. These days I shoot RAW stills.

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Musicvid wrote on 6/28/2022, 5:12 PM

All else being equal, 8 bit 4:4:4 RGB will show less "apparent" banding than 4:2:0.

10 bit 4:2:0 will show about the same amount of apparent banding as 8 bit 4:4:4, making it a suitable intermediate format, again all else being equal. These are the somewhat subjective conclusions we came to from collaborative testing with Laurence fully a decade ago.

Former user wrote on 6/28/2022, 6:46 PM

If I stop the video I see these strange "waves" in the sky during the fade out, and I see these "things"also during playback

With the other image the problem is minimized because the fade in is pretty fast, but with slow fades (to/from black) I can see the artifacts.

It probably also depends on the type of video player, but I have tried different video players and the result is the same

@john.b & everyone else, The waves/banding after the transition apparently isn't the problem, neither is the pixelation of the sky, so where are these 'artifacts', this is doing my head in, can someone post a screenshot with a big red arrow pls 🧐🤔🥴😂👍

RogerS wrote on 6/28/2022, 9:27 PM

For smooth gradients try to get the sensor more light (wider aperture, drag the shutter a bit, fake it with a stills timelapse) as there just isn't much data to work with in the darkest stops of an 8-bit video. Further editing just makes this more apparent.

Yelandkeil wrote on 6/29/2022, 3:14 AM

@Former user😁😁, your eyes may not see artifact/banding/wave, but monitoringTools see it deep into bones.

1, VEGAS color gradient pic.

2, make a drama out of the pic.

3, fade means the signal parameter been changed (gradually from a to b etc.) e.g. gamma, shadow, highlight...

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Former user wrote on 6/29/2022, 9:59 PM

I was wondering how using HDR for the 10bit, but without HDR footage would work uploaded to YT and if it would help with the banding etc. It works better at least.

To see the HDR version unless you have a HDR monitor will need to watch on a TV/Tablet or phone. That begs the question as to why you would bother doing this? Apparently only 12% of YT views are on laptops/desktops, 70% on mobile/tablets

I can see the colors don't look right in the SDR version, most likely my fault.