Mix 60i and 24p files for editing in Vegas?

ernie-tamminga wrote on 6/23/2019, 9:57 PM

Vegas 16.0 build 424 Windows 10 with latest patches

Cameras: Two Sony HXR-NX100, one GoPro Hero Black 6, one Zoom Q2N ("4k" version, though I don't use that setting)

When I mix files from these cameras in a Vegas project, I get pretty frequent crashes in Vegas. I'm trying to learn whether it's the "mixing" itself that causes problems, or if I should look for some other suspects.

The HXR-NX100 cameras create m2ts files 29.970 fps interlaced, 1920x 1080x 12, AVC

The GoPro creates mp4 files 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x 1080x32, AVC

The Zoom creates MOV files 59.940 fps progressive, 1020x 1080x32, AVC

I usually set my Vegas project to match the HXR-N100 properties.

I'm creating deliverables in two different formats -- as digital files and - still, for a lot of customers - as DVD. I know that this opens up a whole 'nother set of questions for eventual final rendering, but for the moment I'm just trying to figure out why I'm getting crashes during the initial EDITING phase of the workflow...

BASIC QUESTION: Should Vegas Pro be happy with having all these different file formats in the same project, or might that mixture be the cause of the crashing? (Usually I don't get crashes - or only rarely - if my project has ONLY the m2ts files from the NXR-100s.)

DERIVATIVE QUESTION: If Vegas doesn't like this mixing, then I could "pre-render" the GoPro and Zoom files to a different format... for example, rendering a GoPro 59.940fps progressive file out to 1080i to match the HXR-N100 files. Is that a good idea?

Any hints or info would be much appreciated.

Comments

EricLNZ wrote on 6/23/2019, 10:28 PM

It might help if you gave more details on your "crashes". Do they always occur under similar circumstances and what are those circumstances. Also details of your system specs.

Musicvid wrote on 6/23/2019, 10:40 PM

Please provide this information for all three sources, your answer likely lies within:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

ernie-tamminga wrote on 6/24/2019, 10:07 AM

Thank you.

When Vegas Pro crashes, its main screen just goes "all white" (with the underlying display still faintly visible) and the Windows little-round-blue-circle appears. Then Vegas does not respond to anything after that, except to being killed through Task Manager.

Here is the file information...

GOPRO------

General
Complete name                            : J:\Curtis Dance June2019 GoPro RAW\2pm\12-31-2015\GH010077.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 3.73 GiB
Duration                                 : 16 min 3 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 33.2 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38
Tagged date                              : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=12
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 16 min 2 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 33.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.664
Stream size                              : 3.70 GiB (99%)
Title                                    : GoPro AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38
Tagged date                              : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 16 min 2 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 21.7 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38
Tagged date                              : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38

Other #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 16 min 2 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Time code of first frame                 : 01:32:23:20
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38
Tagged date                              : UTC 2016-01-01 01:28:38

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 16 min 3 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable

Other #3
Type                                     : meta
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
mdhd_Duration                            : 962962

---------------------------------- ZOOM Q2N

General
Complete name                            : E:\Curtis Dance June2019 Zoom RAW\6-16-2018\ZOOM0003.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2020.20.20 (qt /####)
File size                                : 22.2 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 1 min
Overall bit rate                         : 51.4 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 h 1 min
Bit rate                                 : 50.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.402
Stream size                              : 21.6 GiB (97%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601
Menus                                    : 3
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : sowt
Duration                                 : 1 h 1 min
Source duration                          : 1 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 411.2 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 625 MiB (3%)
Source stream size                       : 625 MiB (3%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-06-16 18:13:15

-------------- SONY HXR-NX100

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : O:\Curtis Dance June2019 ET RAW\2pm\6-22-2019\20190622130156.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 5.81 GiB
Duration                                 : 34 min 38 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 24.0 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 24.0 Mb/s
Recorded date                            : 2019-06-22 13:01:56-07:00
Writing application                      : Sony HXR-NX100

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=2, N=15
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 34 min 38 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 21.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 22.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan type, store method                  : Separated fields
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.347
Stream size                              : 5.21 GiB (90%)
IrisFNumber                              : 3.700000

Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Muxing mode                              : Blu-ray
Codec ID                                 : 128
Duration                                 : 34 min 38 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Delay relative to video                  : -67 ms
Stream size                              : 381 MiB (6%)

Text
ID                                       : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PGS
Codec ID                                 : 144
Duration                                 : 34 min 37 s
Delay relative to video                  : -67 ms

ernie-tamminga wrote on 6/24/2019, 10:14 AM

More info re the files, from Vegas' File Properties:

---------- GoPro

General
Name: GH010077.MP4
Folder: J:\Curtis Dance June2019 GoPro RAW\2pm\12-31-2015
Type: AVC
Size: 3.91 GB (4,001,087,784 bytes)
Created: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 7:02:39 AM
Modified: Friday, January 1, 2016, 1:44:41 AM
Accessed: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 7:02:39 AM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:16:02.962, 23.976 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
Audio: 00:16:02.921, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

Summary
[TCFM]: 18

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: so4compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
Format: AVC
Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

---------- Zoom Q2N

General
Name: ZOOM0001.MOV
Folder: E:\Curtis Dance June2019 Zoom RAW\6-16-2018
Type: AVC
Size: 20.39 GB (20,877,284,804 bytes)
Created: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 8:12:06 AM
Modified: Saturday, June 16, 2018, 2:08:36 PM
Accessed: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 8:12:06 AM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:54:10.748, 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
Audio: 00:54:10.748, 44,100 Hz, Stereo, PCM

Summary
[TCFM]: 6

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

----------- Sony HXR-NX100

General
Name: 20190622130156.m2ts
Folder: O:\Curtis Dance June2019 ET RAW\2pm\6-22-2019
Type: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Size: 6.10 GB (6,243,477,504 bytes)
Created: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 9:09:05 AM
Modified: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 9:11:36 AM
Accessed: Sunday, June 23, 2019, 9:09:05 AM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:34:38.076, 29.970 fps interlaced, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:34:38.076, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, PCM

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Version: Version 16.0 (Build 424)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

-------- Zoom

ernie-tamminga wrote on 6/28/2019, 10:52 AM

Looks like nobody has any clues to why this is happening, right? (Vegas still crashes every 2 minutes or so, but mainly only when there's a GoPro file included in the mix. Even when I "prerender" the GoPro raw files to transcode them into the same kind of mp4 files that I have from my Sony cameras.)

j-v wrote on 6/28/2019, 11:50 AM

I don't have any problem with my GoPro 7 4K HEVC files so maybe it are your projectsettings
Why making it the program so difficult to set the properties as one of the 3 fileproperties and not as your desired goal as DVD ( = mpg2) and change it for the output to a(?) digital format for that kind of file?

Musicvid wrote on 6/28/2019, 2:21 PM

Search the word Proxy on this forum. That is your best bet with GoPro footage.