Well I decided to push my luck and loaded 240 of the test clips, again no problem. They play back a bit slow without a proxy, but they are all visible and play fine.

I'm not sure what it is, but I have done it with and without GPU acceleration. I have done it with and without a proxy (although that should have nothing to do with it). I have done it in MVMS16, MVP16, and SVP13. I cannot get this 5D 4K test clip to trip up my systems! I mean I'm starting to think I'm doing something wrong!!!

@Eagle Six Well, I dug up an old HP Pavilion dv7, doesn’t have Nvidia Graphics, similar poor results. I was thinking that maybe things work well only with Amd.

I had auto create proxies off for all tests, that’s about the only thing left to test, i.e. enable. Given you can suceed without, then I think it’s academic. Gpu on/off makes no difference.

The messade you are getting is telling you that Quicktime is not installed, not installed properly, or perhaps you installed it while Movie Studio was running. Shutdown Movie Studio and start it again. If it still does not work, shutdown Movie Studio, uninstall Quicktime and install that version again.

There is no so didifficult to instal application like QuickTime. So I have properly installing QuickTime in your version. How it is even possible that both of us have the same version but yours is working, mine not?
I repeat - I have installed QuickTIme properly. What about to send me your version QuickTime to see?


Also i have TWO computers. One is slower, 2nd is very fast and new.
The results with importing 4K clips from 5D Mark IV are the same, it doesn't work

@--A OK, I know you are frustrated, but you don't have to repeat, I get it. I'm not arguing with your results. However if you are getting that same message that you posted above, Vegas Pro simply cannot see and load the qt7plug.dll that it requires for your source. Is that because of your system, or the installation, or for whatever reason? I'm not at your computers, so I don't know. All I know is I'm not having the same issue as you.

Years ago I remember some reporting problems with 7.76, so you may want to try 7.6. BTW out of curiosity what version was you using before you installed the 7.76?

As for my success, I'm using the source media file you provided and really running out of ideas why there is a difference between my system and yours. If there is something else you feel will help you, I will be glad to try and acommidate you, however my advise (you are not likely to like this) would be to batch convert your 5D files to something better for editing perhaps like Magix YUV.

BTW: DaVinci Resolve can load your sample 5D clip without the need for the Quicktime Player. It's a free NLE you could try.

@Eagle Six Well, I dug up an old HP Pavilion dv7, doesn’t have Nvidia Graphics, similar poor results. I was thinking that maybe things work well only with Amd.

I had auto create proxies off for all tests, that’s about the only thing left to test, i.e. enable. Given you can suceed without, then I think it’s academic. Gpu on/off makes no difference.

@Former user as both you and @--A have the issue and I do not (at least not so far), then maybe it's my computer that is possessed (in a good way)!!

It's pretty obvious to me that there is something different between our computers, but I just cannot put my brain to come up with anymore ideas. It is strange though, I admit.

Years ago I remember some reporting problems with 7.76, so you may want to try 7.6. BTW out of curiosity what version was you using before you installed the 7.76?

None of QuickTime is not working. Newest version - doesn't work. Earlier version - i have got a error message of QUickTime while importing clips to Vegas.

Can you send me your (working) wersion of QUickTIme?

Yes @Eagle Six I was thinking the very same, that in some way you system is optimal and ours isn’t for the Canon files. It may well remain a mystery. I’ve used two laptops, one PC, four different graphics drivers, gpu on/off, two different versions of VP and throughout all of it the one consistent thing is that once you load more than a certain number of clips its bye bye.

My suggestion is buy some cling film and wrap that machine up with loving care.😁

My suggestion is buy some cling film and wrap that machine up with loving care.😁

I think you are on to something there!! Although I have no plans to get a Canon 5D and probably never will. Not to hurt anyone's feelings, I think it is a great camera, but doesn't fulfill my needs. I'll stick with my GH4, Ninja Flame, ProRes, and DaVinci Resolve.

And BTW, it appears you have been doing a whole lot more testing than I have......it's appears this has been an exercise of diminishing returns!!

Yes indeed. My personal interest in this is because I do have a 5D MK IV and its nice to have the high quality audio codec in the .mov wrapper. Anyway, if I was doing anything in future with this camera i’d probably change to the .mp4 wrapper. Not wishing to start an nle war but it is interesting that what - -A says about Premier, and you mentioned Resolve as having no difficulty with these clips.

Not wishing to start an nle war but it is interesting that what - -A says about Premier, and you mentioned Resolve as having no difficulty with these clips.

I wouldn't want to drag this thread off topic because I know how important this is to you an --A. I have never used Premier. I have finally several months ago got to the point with Resolve that there isn't anything in Vegas I cannot do in Resolve just as good or better. With that said I have a few years invested in Vegas and want to keep my foot in the water so to speak. Also I have a few friends on Vegas and Movie Studio who need help once in a while. And....it is pretty easy to keep up with Vegas and maybe there would be a reason for me to turn back some day. But, like most things, there is a learning curve (at least for me there was) and I can understand why so many like Vegas and want to stick with it.

Same here, I’m too long in the tooth now to be bothered, although I nearly got into resolve via the BMPCC4K, but after an eight month wait and still no sign I cancelled.

My PC is very fast, there should be no troubles with 4K files from 5D

@--A it's not that you have a very fast PC or with your 5D camera rather the codec format you are using to record and Vegas and the tie between them requiring the Quicktime. It's not your camera, it's not Vegas, it's the 32 bit Quicktime.

And maybe it is something else different in your "very fast PC" and my moderately capable PC. I have kind of lost track through this thread, what make, model and driver GPU are you using in your "very fast PC"?

it's not that you have a very fast PC or with your 5D camera rather the codec format you are using to record and Vegas and the tie between them requiring the Quicktime. It's not your camera, it's not Vegas, it's the 32 bit Quicktime.

So, give me a link to a proper QUickTime wersion to use for me

So, give me a link to a proper QUickTime wersion to use for me

Well that was rude. Eagle Six is a peer contributor and a respected professional.

QuickTime 7

This link may be a better solution for all of us as a number of pros are unable to duplicate your outcomes. It ain't Vegas.

https://handbrake.fr

vkmast wrote on 2/13/2019, 9:55 AM

Any OFFICIAL support here?

See Community rule #2, points 3 and 4.

Well, I’m certainly not a pro but I have duplicated the issue on three different machines with two different versions of VP, or do the results of only pros count?

Unless i’m missing some others, it is a long thread, the “number of pros” that don’t have the “about 40 clip limit” stands at two, @Vkmast and @Eagle Six. The number of users with the issue stands at two.

@vkmast got up to 45, maybe he can get more, still better than I can, or was that just a slightly better limit?

I understand your annoyance @Musicvid with the rudeness.

At the same time it is a genuine issue thats not going to go away by simply referring to say handbrake.

It appears to be intractable, several solutions have been suggested, my own from 2016, Cineform as intermediate etc etc.

I think @MusicVid its probably better when encountering such rudeness to either just ignore the user or pitch in and give your best, half way house is neither fish nor foul.

As a side note I have personally received abuse from a user (sent via PM to avoid moderation and community rules) that makes this look like a walk in the park, @Vkmast knows what i’m referring to although no action was taken.

Well that was rude. Eagle Six is a peer contributor and a respected professional.

What was "rude"? There was anything rude. I don't speak english fluently.
Someone here told me "my version of QUickTime works". So, can you upload excatly that working version of QuickTIme for me, especially?

I did it by myself but anything is not working still.

it's not that you have a very fast PC or with your 5D camera rather the codec format you are using to record and Vegas and the tie between them requiring the Quicktime. It's not your camera, it's not Vegas, it's the 32 bit Quicktime.

So, give me a link to a proper QUickTime wersion to use for me

@--A you have the same resources as I have. I gave you the version that works for me, and it doesn't work for you. There is no way I'm going to be able to second guess your system and provide the version (if any) that will do the trick for you. Doing a search for what is available and trying them out is a method you could use. I have done this many times with other issues I have had in the past, trial and error.

There was a time when I was using Sony Vegas Pro 12 and 13, with an HDV Canon videocam and an old PC that I could not get smooth playback and editing was very difficult. Instead of bringing my acquistion source media from the camera to the timeline, I first converted all my footage to an intermediate Cineform or DNx. It was an extra step I would have liked to avoided but once I got used to it and got it automated with batch processing, I got used to it and it became a standard in my workflow. But, when I then got into the cutting, editing, color correction and FX's, my process was much smoother using the intermediates.

I included this step until I added an Atomos Samurai Blade to the Canon camera which recorded my source in DNx and the conversion step was then not necessary. It about a year for me to get the Atomos that I put up with the conversion step in me workflow.

My problem then is obviously not the same as your problem now, the point is I found a reasonable work around to use the combination of my then current computer, Vegas Pro and my Canon camera.

I could feed you all the specs of my system, the version and build of my OS, the version of all the installed drivers. You could then build a PC, like mine, from my specs, but even then, that does not guarantee you success. There are many other variables in my setup I would find it difficult to feed to you, and even if I could they would probably be difficult for you to duplicate precise enough to solve your issue.

Currently I cannot get my PC to boot directly to Windows 10 from the SSD-Sata drive, because I have install an M.2 drive as a storage/working drive. My Asus motherboard wants the M.2 to be the boot drive. Asus technical support is running exhaustive test to figure out why. Although I may not want to mirror the SSD-Sata Windows 10 to the M.2 SSD, that may in the end be my only choice to prevent booting to Bios. Sometimes it's better to find the path of least resistance and go down the road happier.

I commend you to attempt to find a better solution, but at this point I'm not sure my results are helping you with your quest, rather aggrevating more about it.

JN__

Not being able to duplicate any of the four test environments, I can say that the successful testers seem to be as unable to duplicate your results as much as you are unable to duplicate theirs. "Intractible" invokes a unilateral outcome, as this is not.

Since "number of pros" can include those who don't weigh in because they've never had a problem, I tend to lean slightly in that direction, and naively imagine there is a solution for a few others, as well. But it's not going to reveal itself on a stage of contention imposed by one party.

Nor is it a primary issue with Vegas software because it can't be reliably duplicated, yet.. So it is encumbent to determine what other factors are the real players, no matter how unlikely. Like water on the roof from a drain clog in the basement.

Fortunately, @Former user, you have never resorted to that kind of distraction, and I hold you as a role model of reason, and as I have done in the past. Now what if the four of you simply put your heads together and floated some possibilities, rather than one or more shying from them. And don't rule out a forgotten "idiot switch" somewhere, as has been identified in the past, to everyone's chagrin.

I question if Magix is part of the immediate solution, except in retrospect. Your maturity can be a huge example to those plagued by petulance and insecurity, and if I had enough of a clue about this to choose a side, I probably wouldn't do as well as you and Eagle Six have demonstrated already.

Once again, expectations determine outcomes. Using those expectaions to stir the pot guarantees self-fulfillment, not good soup. Much easier to say than actually do. I would be the poster child for that.

@--A Here is a link from 3 years ago about iPhone footage, but the complaint is very similar to yours.......https://www.moviestudiozen.com/forum/movie-studio-platinum/820-quicktime-videos-issues-with-current-project-limit-on-how-many-mov-videos-will-import

If either or both @--A and @Former user want to post the specs of their systems along with the drivers for each device, I would spend the time to compare to mine and post the differences. @Musicvid has a good point, maybe there is something else we have totally overlooked because of our focus on an old 32 bit program. Could be!

Thing is @Musicvid there comes a time when, within reason, you’ve exhausted most possibilities within your means, as I believe I have, not withstanding the hidden idiot switch that was overlooked 😀.

I think @Eagle Six put it well, “diminishing returns “.

Hi @Eagle Six the following quote from your post ...

“Their conclusion is, it's not the size of the file working with a 32 bit codec that stumps Movie Studio, rather the quantity of files requiring the 32 bit codec placed on the timeline that causes the issue. From reading many post on the subject, users have reported a problem anywhere from a few as 20 .mov clips, to as many as 100 .mov clips......I guess it just depends on the actual parameters of the .mov files and the system the users are using. My similar experimentations (above) have supported their conclusions so far.”

I think this explains why my much smaller 12 second files hit a similar, 36-40 (laptop-PC) limit as the larger files used by @--A. A real anamoly is not @vkmast 's 45 but your 240.

Given you’re explaining above I think it’s still reasonable to conclude that the issue centres on using QT.

Maybe someday Magix will implement handling these files without the crutch of QT and so fix the problem.

It could be that QT can make better use of a pc if it has memory to spare, @Eagle Six I notice you have a 64gb PC, I have 16gb and 32gb memory for laptop and PC respectively, not sure what @--A 's and @vkmast 's memory specs are. Mine are in my profile.