Opening .mov files in Vegas Pro 16?

Musicvid wrote on 7/30/2020, 2:37 PM

Let's start at the beginning. Please provide the following information about your iPhone files.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

Ken-Theriot wrote on 7/30/2020, 3:11 PM

Thanks. Here is what I get:

General
Complete name                            : /Users/kenneththeriot/Downloads/Tonor-Unboxing-Video.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   0000.00 (qt  )
File size                                : 277 MiB
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 8 516 Kbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-07-29 19:31:49
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-07-29 19:36:22
Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime
com.apple.quicktime.location.ISO6709     : +29.6150-098.5176+306.155/
com.apple.quicktime.make                 : Apple
com.apple.quicktime.model                : iPhone 11
com.apple.quicktime.software             : 13.5.1
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate         : 2020-07-29T14:31:48-0500

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s
Bit rate                                 : 8 300 Kbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 29.445 fps
Minimum frame rate                       : 23.077 fps
Maximum frame rate                       : 31.579 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.136
Stream size                              : 270 MiB (97%)
Title                                    : Core Media Video
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-07-29 19:31:49
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-07-29 19:36:22
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s
Source duration                          : 4mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 187 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 KHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 fps (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 6.09 MiB (2%)
Source stream size                       : 6.09 MiB (2%)
Title                                    : Core Media Audio
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-07-29 19:31:49
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-07-29 19:36:22

Other #1
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant

Other #3
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 4mn 32s

Ken-Theriot wrote on 7/30/2020, 3:13 PM

I have a bit of a clunky/time-consuming workaround. I can bring it into iMovie on my MacBook Air, and Share it as a file, which (for some reason) converts it to a .mp4 file. Then I can upload it to my MyCloud and go up to the studio and download it. But that is a LOT. If there is a way to open it directly in Vegas Pro 16, that would be preferable.

john_dennis wrote on 7/30/2020, 3:38 PM

@Ken-Theriot

Try Happy Otter Scripts / Import Assist:

https://tools4vegas.com/home/

Musicvid wrote on 7/30/2020, 4:41 PM

Ken, your video is variable frame rate, which is not compatible with your Vegas version. If you do not have Happy Otter, which is slick, the stock advice is to run it through Handbrake with Constant Frame Rate, and Same as Source. It will then play nicely with Vegas 16. It should also work without the extra step in Vegas 17.

Thanks for posting your MediaInfo. You can turn off the deprecated QuickTime unless you need it for something else.

Ken-Theriot wrote on 7/30/2020, 6:20 PM

Thanks! I'll give that a try. I'll also try not to use my iPhone for video. It would seem that the latest tech (this is an iPhone 11) would make things better, not worse. Sigh. Thanks again!

Musicvid wrote on 7/30/2020, 6:53 PM

It's not really iPhone, it's IOS, which has been that way since IOS 10 (?).

Ken-Theriot wrote on 7/30/2020, 8:00 PM

Well at least I have a few options now. So I'm better off than I was. Thanks again!

Former user wrote on 7/30/2020, 8:21 PM

Variable frame rates are very important for phones and streaming your camera via messaging or whatever app you're using. I've seen it many times when signal strength becomes weak the frame rate will lower or even pause while audio continues normally, then increase in fps when signal becomes better. That core requirement may be behind why phones mostly record to memory card in VFR when seemingly there's no reason for them to. The combination with HEVC puts a lot more strain on video editors

wwaag wrote on 7/30/2020, 8:58 PM

Here's an example converting iphone 11 HEVC footage to a constant frame rate using HappyOtterScripts. https://vimeo.com/414271488/b80168621d

It's very quick and it's lossless in its conversion since it "rewraps" the footage and converts it to a "constant frame rate". While use of Handbrake "works", there is some quality loss due to the fact it's transcoded rather than rewrapped.

Anyone serious about filming with an iPhone should consider purchase of the FiLMiC Pro app which gives the user lots of control over settings including frame rates. Here's a link https://www.filmicpro.com/

wwaag wrote on 7/30/2020, 9:43 PM

@Musicvid

You misunderstand. Filmic is iPhone app that affects the actual recording of video inside the phone.

john_dennis wrote on 7/30/2020, 10:01 PM

@Ken-Theriot

"I'll also try not to use my iPhone for video."

At...

Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0

Bit depth : 8 bits

Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.136

...it's probably not your best video source even using HEVC. I'm not going to discuss the fact that some frames are not recorded.

Musicvid wrote on 7/30/2020, 10:11 PM

wwaag. you are correct. I meant the android version, which is irrelevant.