[RESOLVED] WILL FASTER GPU WITH MORE RAM HELP IN VEGAS PRO 18?

Bob-Harper wrote on 9/26/2021, 9:43 AM

Hi-

Using a custom built box with an I-9, 10,900kf chip, a Samsung 970 SSD 2TB main/ WD Black 6TB, and 3TB behind that and an NVIDIA QUADRO RTX 4000 GPU with 8GB RAM and I have 64GB of computer RAM.

I notice when adding just a fair amount of effects to 1080 events in Vegas, I have to replay it a fair amount for the buffer or Shift B a lot.

---------Would a more robust GPU like the new NVIDIA RTX 3090 with 24GB RAM etc. etc. help that?

It's interesting to me though that it's suggested NOT to tick the GPU Acceleration Tab in options, for less crashes etc. in Vegas. Ergo, if not using GPU acceleration would the RTX 3090 even come into play?

NOT TOO SURE of what I just wrote regarding the acceleration, so any clarifications greatly appreciated.

When I just did a "USER BENCHMARK" test online the report labeled my box as a UFO in all categories.

Still, the playback issues mentioned in Vegas.

THANK YOU for taking the time to comment.

Much appreciated, Bob

 

 

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RogerS wrote on 9/26/2021, 10:12 AM

There is a point of diminishing returns with hardware. My prediction is it won't solve your issues if the Fx aren't GPU accelerated to begin with.

Is this the Vegas user benchmark you are talking about? If you haven't done it, give it a try. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/

Turning off video acceleration will keep Fx from using the GPU.
GPUs can also do decoding which is separate- on the file i/o tab in preferences.

j-v wrote on 9/26/2021, 10:17 AM

On laptop from signature using GPU acceleration with added 3 GPU accelerated FX's the playback is 50fps and without the Nvidia GPU it is ca. 28fps with the same FHD 50p files loaded.

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Bob-Harper wrote on 9/26/2021, 12:52 PM

Roger...no in regards to benchmark. It's that USERBENCHMARK test online. I'll look into the Vegas mentioned.

I checked the File I/O tab and down below it says "Auto (NVIDIA NVDEC)." Underneath that just NVIDIA NVDEC.

J-V...Well dang....but more than a few folks on this forum and other places strongly urge to unclick the GPU accelerated to reduce crashes etc. Hmmm, what to do, what to do...

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 9/26/2021, 12:57 PM

WILL FASTER GPU WITH MORE RAM HELP IN VEGAS PRO 18?

No, it will not !

Bob-Harper wrote on 9/26/2021, 1:15 PM

Steve- You sound pretty confident and I have a feeling you've been there, done that. Thanks! I'm truly leaning toward your thoughts on this having heard a few folks voice similar and Roger chiming in on the law of diminishing returns.......AND....especially since I'd really much prefer to buy BorisFX Sapphire to add to my Mocha and BCC Plugs than another GPU! '-) I'm hoping Boris does that half-off sale again prior to the holidays.

fr0sty wrote on 9/26/2021, 3:25 PM

Try Shift + M instead of B, it's faster.

Former user wrote on 9/26/2021, 6:22 PM

@Bob-Harper I have an RTX 3090, 32 core Threadripper CPU & 256GB RAM, Vegas still struggles to play some effects & transitions,

My old PC was an i7 7700 quad core CPU, 64GB RAM & a GTX 1660 Super 6GB Graphics card, this new PC is obviously better but not the huge amount you'd think. I could prob still tinker with the GPU & Vegas settings but straight out of the box it doesn't make everything in Vegas work smoothly, I still use Build Dynamic RAM or Selectively Pre-render to make some things play correctly.

Former user wrote on 9/26/2021, 8:18 PM

Some of the plugins look to be limited in how much GPU they can use. Good examples are BCC and Sapphire. Even though Resolve is capable of using a 3090 GPU at 100%, I was Testing selected plugins between the 2 editors, Vegas and Resolve would only give me 27fps on playback with a 60fps timeline.It didn't matter how well Resolve can use a GPU, it's processing of the filter was the same as VP19, which was better then VP18 when rendering

I have rtx3070, normally is under 20% use, maximum I've seen is under 30%. The way to understand why Vegas is so bad at using GPU's is if you consider a freeway. with Vegas having only 2 lanes, those 2 lanes of traffic will accelerate faster with a faster GPU but it's still limited by those 2 lanes. An editor like Resolve may have 10 lanes and can max out a GPU where Vegas can't. I think this explains why Faster GPU's will run Vegas faster and yet only use a tiny amount of your GPU

Former user wrote on 9/27/2021, 5:33 AM

@Former user the fps playback is the red no's on the preview titled Display, it has another no at the end when playing?

I put this video on YT showing Mocha Pro & Vegas struggling to play it, the fps counter shows less than 1,

Bob-Harper wrote on 9/27/2021, 5:38 AM

Frosty, Gid, Todd-b........I thank you immensely for your learn-ed ideas, thoughts and explanations. Makes perfect sense all around and ALL the answers and input have more than answered my question. I'm not sure if can TAG all of these comments as SOLUTIONS so I'll let a monitor do that.

MATTER RESOLVED and my many thanks to all!

Sapphire, here I come.... '-)

Dexcon wrote on 9/27/2021, 5:51 AM

 I'm not sure if can TAG all of these comments as SOLUTIONS so I'll let a monitor do that.

@Bob-Harper  ... I'm fairly sure that the Solution tag can only be applied to one comment even if coded by a moderator. As an alternative, you might like to go to your original post and use the edit button in order to retitle the name of the post with [Resolved] preceding the current title. Cheers.

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Bob-Harper wrote on 9/27/2021, 5:57 AM

Thanks Dexcon, have done so...

Former user wrote on 9/28/2021, 1:32 AM

Try Shift + M instead of B, it's faster.


@fr0sty Hi, I know this thread has been titled Resolved but i'm curious about what you wrote, ?

I questioned it when i first read it but with a couple of tests I find Build Dynamic Ram quicker? this is a nothing project, a track with a Title Studio spline border & Particle illusion making that border sparkle, these details are unimportant i think, they're just fx's that i knew would make playback in Preview slow but

Shift-B Build Dynamic ram took a couple of mins, Shift-M, Prerender took 8,5mins

Can you elaborate on your comment pls?

Thanks

fr0sty wrote on 9/28/2021, 2:55 AM

Shift M can work better on larger projects, as it isn't as sensitive to changes on the timeline. Any change on DRP will flush RAM and you have to rebuild. With selective pre-rendering, you only have to re-render what changed. Shift B works best when quickly previewing a small part of the timeline. Shift M works across the entire timeline, and because it is actually pre-rendered video, the renders persist until you need to make a change.

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Geforce RTX 3090

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Former user wrote on 9/28/2021, 10:49 AM

Ok 👍

On the video i posted above, i had 4 jpgs on the top track that need to be moved slightly & the transition lengthened or shortened to suite the Mocha tracked video clip on the track below,

I built dynamic ram with the selection of the entire project as in the pic, that took a couple of mins, then when i slid a pic or adjusted a transition & built dynamic ram again, it took just seconds to re-do the bit i adjusted even though i left the selection at the full project for the whole time, each time i adjusted something it took just moments to re-do,

 

Musicvid wrote on 9/28/2021, 11:36 AM

WILL FASTER GPU WITH MORE RAM HELP IN VEGAS PRO 18?

No, it will not !

+1

Ricardo-Bacchin wrote on 11/11/2021, 6:59 AM

From what I understand the performance gain by the GPU has a limit - if you have an RTX 3060 the difference in rendering time compared to a 3090 will not be so big if we compare the cost-benefit ratio.
Has anyone used the Quadro RTX 4000 - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/quadro/rtx-4000/ cards?
Are they better suited than common game RTX for video editing?

Former user wrote on 11/11/2021, 10:13 AM

Hi, I've been trying out the Benchmark test to compare mine, I haven't fully posted my findings yet but if you look at the download page there's a graph of peoples performance https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/?page=1

Paul-Jonack wrote on 4/18/2022, 6:08 PM

Hello, so my "faster" gpu the rtx3060 works not well with vegas 17

i did it all i reset vegas i deinstalled all the drivers from my old rx470 card etc.

vegas 17 need 2x longer for a projekt as with my 4 year old rx470 8GB Card.

this piece of software from magix is so oudated. why cant they update all vegas pro for

the latest gpus...which are like 2 years old now. wtf i think i return my 500€ rtx 3060

Former user wrote on 4/18/2022, 11:11 PM

@Paul-Jonack If you load a 1080P60 video, on a 1080P60 project, add the Vegas media effect DEFOCUS, play it back looking at Task Manager/Performance/GPU. Is your 3D box similar to mine, 70 - 80% use?