Sony AVC/MVC Bluray template no format changeable VEGAS PRO 15

nemere wrote on 9/18/2019, 3:01 PM

Greetings to all video artsits on this great forum. I'm stuck in situation that I'm don't understand. Many years I used Vegas Pro 11 with great pleasure. This spring come a good offer and buy Vegas Pro 15 Edit and DVD Architect. I'm start to use Vegas the last week and everything is fine as in the past but at the final render I'm stuck. In Vegas Pro 11 i'm mostly used the Sony AVC/MVC Bluray template with mp4 file format. It's letting to use include audio option, and create a fine looking HD output with sound. But in Vegas Pro 15 it's impossible to change the format at the system tab when I choose the customize template options in Sony AVC/MVC Bluray templates. Magix changes these settings for the Vegas Pro 15? Or missing something to my Vegas install? This is the situation all Bluray templates (Mainconcept AVC, Magix AVC). In the Vegas Pro 11 all Bluray templates system tab format change is working. Thanks for any help, I try to post images too.

Here is the working Vegas 11 system tab.

Here is the not working Vegas 15.

Vegas 15 is the latest update. Work on Windows 7 Home.

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j-v wrote on 9/18/2019, 3:33 PM

What is your goal for that rendered file.
Burning a BD or watching it somewhere?

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Musicvid wrote on 9/18/2019, 5:10 PM

DVDA templates were never designed to include audio by default, but rather mux it separately for a number of very good reasons, the biggest being the ability to have multiple audio tracks without unnecessarily duplicating cumbersome video assets in a confined medium.

I'm grateful to hear Magix has removed this obsolete option.

If you miss the option, just render to AVCHD and AAC. It's a format from which BluRay movie architecture was derived (along with HDV).

fr0sty wrote on 9/18/2019, 5:32 PM

DVD-Architect is also very strict about which formats it will take in without forcing you to re-encode the video, so you don't want to do too much playing around with it. If you want more control over things like bitrate, render a high quality file out of vegas to something like sony xavc-i and import that into DVD-A, then have DVD-A do the compression.

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nemere wrote on 9/18/2019, 11:50 PM

Thnak you for the answers. My goal with the rendered file is watching elsewere. I'm understand that the DVDA templates is not include audio by default. But not being a "hardcore" video magician I'm happy with that function that Vegas Pro 11 give (to make a simple mp4 file with very good picture quality and sound). I'm don't plain to write anything to bluray. I'm just want to archive my family memory videos and give to my son's day nursery events to other family on pendrive or portable HDD. So personally I'm sad if that feature gone. What is your advice? I'm using a good old Panasonic HDC-HS 100 camcorder, it's make an MTS files with 17 Mbps maximum bit rate what is good enough for me. Make an 16 Mbps mp4 file in the past and I happy as a child with the final result. So with one word what is the right choiched render template (let it one step rendered in 1920x1080 res., 50i, and 16-20 Mbps bitrate with sound) instead of Bluray (customized mp4)? Musicvid - The AVCHD format with AAC sound make a M2TS or MTS file? I'm affraid that the "simple" user other parents from my son's nursery can't be used it on there laptops, tablets or (god forgive me!) on there smartphones. The mp4 file what I deliver to them is the best.

j-v wrote on 9/19/2019, 3:02 AM

So personally I'm sad if that feature gone. What is your advice?

No need to be sad, because the new codecs to render to an mp4 are much better and have more possibilities than the good old Sony AVC templates in the past had. My advice should be this one where you have all kind of possibilities to choose but they depend on your used hardware.

 

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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EricLNZ wrote on 9/19/2019, 3:26 AM

@j-v I note you've altered the template to interlaced as that's what @nemere wants. Personally I'm wary of doing that with mp4 file format as I've encountered players that don't handle interlaced mp4 too well.

nemere wrote on 9/19/2019, 5:06 AM

Thank you guys for the advices. These Magix templates dont noticed by me before because I filter the templates to "match project settings". And because my footage is 1920x1080 50i from the camcorder Vegas filter the tempates to interlaced render outputs. So tonight I try these method, thanks j-v again. I'm try to output the finished project to progressive in the past but the final result is always dissapointing for me. Maybe the lack of the Vegas Pro 11 de-interlace method but the output deinterlaced video file is jittering and looks hitching for me on my Panasonic plasma. So I just leave the interlaced source footage interlaced and the display (tv, monitor) and the player software solve the deinterlacing job.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/19/2019, 5:30 AM

Yes, TV players often do a better job of deinterlacing but I was wondering about the laptops, tablets and smartphones you mentioned.

nemere wrote on 9/19/2019, 5:42 AM

Yeah maybe it's time to rethinking to make two versions of the videos I make in the community. Maybe the Vegas 15 deinterlacer do a better job than it older brother. I plan to work with the templates that j-v adviced but one version go to 1080p another to 1080i.

j-v wrote on 9/19/2019, 5:56 AM

On the right side of that picture I gave only one customized template, customized from progressive to interlaced

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

nemere wrote on 9/20/2019, 3:22 AM

That template what j-v adviced is working well. A little bit slower the render when it's in the Vegas Pro 11 ( 15 minutes footage is 1 hr and 20 minutes rendering work) but it's ok. Thanks! I'M hit a Solved button.

I think because my graphics hardware is AMD RAdeon that cause my tempate is missing the NV and the Intel chooses.Just the Mainconcept choosable.

nemere wrote on 9/20/2019, 7:50 AM

Just one more question. About the video what I make in the past with the Vegas Pro11 template the media information software what I use is said 1080i50 but from the video I make now with the template j-v adviced is said 1080i but 25hz not 50? Both are interlaced but the frequency is differenet. What is that? I never herd about 1080i25.

j-v wrote on 9/20/2019, 8:21 AM

 j-v adviced is said 1080i but 25hz not 50

25Hz???
The best program to look at the videofile properties is the free MediaInfo.
When you use that program to show the properties, the file rendered as my given template should look like this and that is equal to the files that your camera is making said its manual.

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566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

nemere wrote on 9/20/2019, 1:18 PM

OK I check this MediaInfo program. Meanwhile I make a render with the Magix AVC templates but now I leave the field order on progressive. So the deinterlaced final result is look not good, just like in the Vegas pro 11. (This is the one reason why I force the interlaced final result in the past meanwhile almost everybody have an LCD or Plasma display with progressive display mode). When I moving with the camera in the scene the edges of the objects are jiggling and twitching and embarassing to look it. I think its about the deinterlace method, so I figure out some day I try all the 1080p25 templates and hope discover a good solution.

j-v wrote on 9/20/2019, 1:38 PM

 LCD or Plasma display with progressive display mode

There and also on a modern computerscreen you need to use a player that has a deïnterlace option.(Vegas preview has also that option.)
To be sure show us here the MediaInfo of your sourcefile from the camera.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Musicvid wrote on 9/21/2019, 3:49 PM

For distribution and playback by others, use Magix Internet, MP4/AAC. That is the 99.9% universal format.

The transport streams you are messing with are not universal, are cumbersome, and should be for your own use only, without expectations of playability on others' media or devices.

That's the best advice I can give you. Transport Streams are not Program Streams; they are intended for mechanical acquisition and delivery, such as camcorders, broadcast, or on an optical disc.

nemere wrote on 9/23/2019, 2:11 PM
 

To be sure show us here the MediaInfo of your sourcefile from the camera.

I'm behind the machine again so start this Mediainfo thing. The first picture is the source file from my Panasonic HDC-HS 100 camera. The second is a rendered file what I make at spring with the Vegas Pro 11 working Sony AVC Bluray mp4 format template. The third picture is the info file of the rendered video what I make last week follow the advices with Magix AVC Internet HD 25fps (interlaced) template. The difference I look up is the VP11 render is 50 fps and the VP15 Magix render bitrate too low (11 Mbps) meanwhile I set the avarage bit rate to 16Mbps. The VP11 render avarage is 15,8 Mbps (I set it 16 Mbps too). I'm not glad with the render work what is VP15 Magix AVC do. The final video looks vanished compared to VP11 Sony AVC rendered video file. So the situation is the same what I start this topic.

The Sony AVC template mp4 format possibility is missing for me

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nemere wrote on 9/23/2019, 2:38 PM

Meanwhile come back the answer from MAGIX support where I question the missing mp4 feature:

"Dear Otto,

Thank you for the screenshots. The Blu-ray templates in VEGAS Pro 15 and onward have been restricted to only render AVC (in that template) due to issues of people getting errors when setting it to MP4 in past versions in the Custom Settings.

If you would like an MP4 file we would suggest using one of the 1080 Internet templates under the SONY AVC/MVC format.

--
Best regards,

** **"

 

john_dennis wrote on 9/23/2019, 5:08 PM

The Magix answer makes sense to me.

nemere wrote on 9/24/2019, 5:15 PM

Yesterday i thought: I let go the interlaced video output thing and focus to progressive rendered video finish . So today I spend my time to try out all the 1080p templates from Magix/Mainconcept/Sony AVC folders. Because the source videos is interlaced I setting up the project properties and the templates to deinterlace method. The final results of the experiment almost drive my crazy 🙃 The deinterlaced videos are playable and looks good on my Lenovo smartphone and Huawei T7.0 tablet, but on my pc and Panasonic Plasma Tv all video looks ghosty and where the scene is contain camera movement the edges of the objects look like somebody "shaking the image" (english not my native language so I don't know the exact technical phrase for it. ) So no resting for me. There is the new madness. A deinterlaced final video what is playable every device and look smooth and good. So I started the friendship with Handbrake to make a progressive footage from the source media and forget all this suck with deinterlace in Vegas.

nemere wrote on 9/26/2019, 4:17 AM

Finally!!! SO many days (and if I count the time from the past when I serach the solution is years) found a solution what final result I very glad. Try all settings in Handbrake and render a 10 second sample where the ghostly atrifact is the most visible, and all the Handbrake settings is not to do the good final result. And these point I finding the FFmpeg command line tool. And abraka-dabra is works! Give these command " ffmpeg -i in.MTS -vf yadif=1 -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -vcodec mpeg4 -f mp4 -y -qscale 0 out.mp4 " and the final result is playing back as smooth as the original interlaced mts file on all kind of device! I cannot believe it 😀 Meanwhile I read so many advice about FFmpeg and deinterlacing and find out from this on a web page "  It generates a full frame for each field, which means 50 fps in the resulting movie. A standard -vf yadif (which implies =0) gives you 25 fps only, which was laggy on some scenes here." I think all time these cause the problem for me in the videos where is much camera movement. Now only one thing is waiting to solution find aout the right command to keep the original bitrate from the source beacause FFmpeg makes it with 50Mbs not the oroginal 16Mbps. I'm a happy human now......

NickHope wrote on 9/27/2019, 12:24 PM

Yadif deinterlacing is pretty good, but in my brief testing, the VEGAS Smart Adaptive deinterlacing was better. You'll need GPU enabled for it to work.

QTGMC deinterlacing is generally even better than that, and a neat way to access it in VEGAS these days is through the RenderPlus feature in Happy Otter Scripts. You'll find it in the "Deinterlacing" section of the Avisynth Settings. Easy to output 50fps too, by checking the "Double Frame Rate" box. Note that there is a huge variation in rendering speed for the different deinterlacing presets. Medium works well. One of the faster presets (can't remember which one) is actually very close to Yadif.

Bear in mind there is also a Yadif plugin for Vegas Pro, which works pretty well.