Uncompressed PCM, Cpu friendly, 100mb per minute file size, 720p 30fps

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judelaw wrote on 10/10/2018, 6:08 PM

I'm not using 4K but sometimes I have straight cut transitions between 480p or 720p source files that I had to duplicate on the timeline (using two instances of the same file on two separate tracks), in order to blur/hide some crappy logo. that seems to be pretty cpu intensive for instance. Of course an easy way is to crop the video to get rid of the logo or watermark, I do that very often also.

Marco. wrote on 10/10/2018, 6:10 PM

"Today it created one proxy file while I was reprocessing a 9 MB 6 minute long 480*640 decade old wmv file"

In this certain case of using WMV Vegas Pro creates audio proxies, not video proxies. Automated creation of video proxies only happens for 4k/QHD media (and up) and only if this option is enabled in the preferences.

Marco. wrote on 10/10/2018, 6:17 PM

"I don't know about Vegas Pro but with VMS the proxy is always 720 30 fps even if your source is PAL 25 fps!"

That's a long standing misunderstanding caused by reading the proxy files with other apps like MediaInfo. But Vegas Pro handles its own proxy files differently, more like image sequences and the source file will define the frame rate of the proxy file. So for example if your source file is 60 fps, your proxy file will be 60 fps, too, no matter how other apps would read those proxies.

judelaw wrote on 10/10/2018, 6:33 PM

Thanks a lot Marco ! Nick's article "How to Disable Resample" explains well how to disable/enable resample on various Vegas builds, but not how it interacts with proxies. I don' know if I should disable, enable it, or if it's even more complicated than that.

EricLNZ wrote on 10/10/2018, 6:44 PM

Marco. - Thanks for the proxy info. Very interesting.

judelaw - keep it simple. You appear to be making things more complicated than what they are. Proxies are only used for previewing. Your renders will be done with your source material. As for disabling resampling, experiment with a few clips and short renders to see which gives you the best results with your material.

Musicvid wrote on 10/10/2018, 7:51 PM

OP is downloading overcompressed 4-5 Mbps crap from YouTube.

-- Intermediates?

-- Proxies?

-- XAVC-1?

-- 4:2:2 YUV?

This line of thinking reflects a lack of linear perspective and mature reality-testing, not all of it lying on the side of the OP, in spite of a seemingly odd learning style.

You cannot make a silk purse from a pig's ear.

Personally, I "would" suggest a 4k 12 bit hdr REC 2020 uncompressed capture of the YouTube stream over SDI, with appropriate bandwith and sample depth reduction and lossless hardware dithering from 4:4:4 to 8 bit 4:2:0 for youtube upload at 720p. And if you believe that, I've got a '93 Chevy Blazer you might be interested in. Get it? Anyone can do that! Lewis Carrol called it "jabberwocky.."

A couple of contributors are being just plain silly and counterproductive by enabling judelaw's penchant for overreaching "solutions," the same tendency that needs to be suppressed in order to get his very first music-with-wallpaper video live on youtube! Takes a few clicks and can be done on beer. Two, to be exact.

Or is this attention seeking and nothing more?

Edit the storyboard, render, upload, save the project for future use making your home theater version. Make mistakes. Only the first step requires any hypercritical thinking, and that is a job for one.

@judelaw, you should be relieved to know that the next response will defer until the upload and link to your first music video. Warts and all. Until then, it's all ....

judelaw wrote on 10/10/2018, 9:54 PM

Well, I've done about 50 songs during the past years, each one with its own clip. It's just that until now I was concerned only about the audio. I didn't care about the video part. But yes, I'm not denying, I'm a bore, I'm asking for too much help. It's just that video making has become quite intensive lately because I do a better and more complicated work, (thanks to your help btw), that's why I need to dig in.

About the nutty and hypercritical part, that reminds me of a declassified CIA report from the cold war : https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80R01731R003200050023-1.pdf , in which the Americans were describing the way the French engineers worked. Looking for the "elegant solution", always trying to enhance the product, and postponing the production : https://nsa39.casimages.com/img/2018/10/11/181011044347694405.jpg

I blame it on Vegas, had the software itself, all those codecs and computers been designed carefully in France, they would have been perfect and flawless, just like our Airbus planes that we build proudly in Toulouse and account for half of the planes that are sold arround the world today :)

"I've got a '93 Chevy Blazer you might be interested in"
If it doesn't have manual transmission, you might have to teach me how to use it.

Musicvid wrote on 10/10/2018, 11:22 PM

And in reference to all of your concerns about a plethora of contradictory encoders and confusing formats from different eras, in which Vegas software played no role in influencing whatsoever, that no newcomer or five hour lecture could ever HOPE to clarify, our Vegas then and now has so thoughtfully provided you with, ..., Templates!

One encoding template is named "720p Internet"

Works pretty well. It's a dish, because you won't need to deinterlace or level your YouTube source. Your pristine PCM audio will be converted to low complexity AAC. I said i didn't like it -- I didn't say i could do anything about it. Resistance is futile.

For some odd reason, I expected to see such an upload last week, because I wanted to hear your original music (it's what I do). [stupid rant removed /]

Do you know how many Airbus crashes there were in preproduction years? Fortunately, neither of us has to worry about that.

[EDIT] Mildly inappropriate comment removed.[/]

We'll talk then.

Do look at BluRay disc or iso with pcm from the same Vegas project for your home theatre version.

judelaw wrote on 10/10/2018, 11:58 PM

I would, with pleasure, but I can't, people know me a bit, I don't want them to find out their beloved singer is asking for beginner tips :(

NickHope wrote on 10/11/2018, 1:04 AM

Thanks a lot Marco ! Nick's article "How to Disable Resample" explains well how to disable/enable resample on various Vegas builds, but not how it interacts with proxies. I don' know if I should disable, enable it, or if it's even more complicated than that.

Proxies are not displayed unless the Video Preview window's preview quality is set to Draft or Preview. And a quick test here shows that resampling is only displayed if the preview quality is set to Good or Best. In other words it appears you'll never see a Vegas proxy get resampled; they appear as if resampling is disabled.

Reportedly most users dislike resampling, and if you look at a resampled frame (e.g. by forcing resample on a moving 30p video on a 25p timeline) you can see why; it's just a rudimentary blend, and so-resampled moving areas can look horrible.

As a side note, if you're working with footage of mixed frame rates, and assuming you disable resample, you have a choice to make about whether to repeat some frames, by choosing the higher frame rate for your project and render, or to skip some frames, by choosing the lower frame rate. In general I would suggest going with whichever frame rate the majority of your footage has.

judelaw wrote on 10/11/2018, 1:31 AM

"resampling is only displayed if the preview quality is set to Good or Best"

So by using "preview/full", whatever frame rate I choose in the project settings at the beginning, Vegas will play each file in the timeline at their respective frame rate?

Indeed, that's logical.

Editing with preview full and choosing for rendering the frame rate the majority of my footage has should do well. If I see some blur or whatever in the rendered video, then I can simply render again with another frame rate and compare both videos.

NickHope wrote on 10/11/2018, 1:51 AM

"resampling is only displayed if the preview quality is set to Good or Best"

So by using "preview/full", whatever frame rate I choose in the project settings at the beginning, Vegas will play each file in the timeline at their respective frame rate?

Not really. All events on the timeline play back at the project frame rate. If the media's frame rate does not match the project frame rate frames have to be created by selecting a neighbouring frame (if resampling is disabled), or by blending neighbouring frames (if resampling is enabled).

Editing with preview full and choosing for rendering the frame rate the majority of my footage has should do well. If I see some blur or whatever in the rendered video, then I can simply render again with another frame rate and compare both videos.

If you can get decent preview quality then you don't always need to render to see the effect.

judelaw wrote on 10/11/2018, 5:33 AM

All-right, it's too complicated for me. I guess the video quality will be good enough if I choose 30fps for everything, project settings frame rate and rendering frame rate ( exept if I have a majority of 24fps source files) if not I can try to switch on or off resample.

If thinking only about cpu ressources is there a clear winner between disable and enable resample ? Or is it again a complicated matter ?

NickHope wrote on 10/11/2018, 8:08 AM
If thinking only about cpu ressources is there a clear winner between disable and enable resample ? Or is it again a complicated matter ?

Resampling shouldn't take much CPU resources but if anything I think disable resample would take slightly less.

judelaw wrote on 10/11/2018, 1:00 PM

Thank you Nick for the lot of good advice ! You helped me a lot. I'm grateful.

NickHope wrote on 10/11/2018, 1:42 PM

One more thing... Keep Quantize to Frames ON and if you're working with mixed frame rates, set these 2 internal preferences to TRUE:

Then the end of any events that aren't quantized (i.e. falling precisely on a frame boundary) will be highlighted in bold red. It makes your "odd frame rate" events stick out like a sore thumb, and helps you see where you have to pay attention to your cuts to avoid tiny gaps or overlaps.

(to access internal preferences, hold SHIFT while you click Preferences from the Options menu)

Musicvid wrote on 10/11/2018, 3:19 PM

I would, with pleasure, but I can't, people know me a bit, I don't want them to find out their beloved singer is asking for beginner tips :(

One more thing you hadn't told us yet, and it certainly explains a lot.

By all means, check with your Producer's Agent or IP Attorney before posting any of your original content online. How completely insensitive of me.

judelaw wrote on 10/12/2018, 4:03 AM

ha ha! lol

Musicvid wrote on 10/12/2018, 10:31 AM

And I just came back to remove that last post of mine as being mean, but since you found it funny...

welcome to the forum! I guess we can take on one free range thinker, since BB is no longer here.

zdogg wrote on 10/12/2018, 3:14 PM

And I just came back to remove that last post of mine as being mean, but since you found it funny...

welcome to the forum! I guess we can take on one free range thinker, since BB is no longer here.

Nothing like good humor attached to a thick skin! Try it sometime! ahahahahaha

Musicvid wrote on 10/12/2018, 7:31 PM

Nothing like good humor attached to a thick skin! Try it sometime! ahahahahaha

Nor anything like keeping untethered fancy and self-stimulating speculation in the off-topic area, where it won't be mistaken for an immediate need for peer production support. It's the place I Iike to go to try out all of my "but why" and "what if" questions on others, using repeatable test examples, of course.

😛

Similar MO's, same suggestion. You guys could have some interesting discussions, and maybe come up with some novel technique or solution. It has happened!

judelaw wrote on 10/12/2018, 10:04 PM

Thank you for welcoming me :)

judelaw wrote on 10/13/2018, 2:12 AM

That's some wonderful landscape you have in the States, I wish I travel there some day, at least to see that place where the house of Belissario was, the place where the pilote of Airwolf used to live because he wanted to be alone after his tour in Vietnam. It's a mountain lake between California and another state if I remember.

Musicvid wrote on 10/13/2018, 2:00 PM

Why don't you take some of your lovely local video, back it with your own music, and post it on YouTube? Little kids actually make money doing this.