V17 full of bugs, crashing, rendering impossible, scrambling data

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 7:11 AM

I spent 4 hours today assembling a small clip of roughly 3 minutes for my wifes Kindergarten summer activity
Input material:
4K DJI Osmo Video, Mavic Pro 2 footage, Iphone XSMax footage and images.
Creatad a sub timeline for getting a small picture show in line with music.
Imported music created with Cubase.
I generally did colourgrading on every track separately.
Only in one track I also modified lights on a dark indoor footage.
What I got after rendering the half way finished thing is a stuttering and faulty clip in the area where I modified colourgrading as above. I got black footage as well and the subclip with the pictures is completely unusable.
Not to mention countless crashes.
That really destroyed my enthusiasm.
Anybody else similar problems?
I uploaded the so far gotten result in 4K here for those who are masochist enough to have a look.

(Will maybe take some minutes until youtube finished upload.)

The project is not overly complex:

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

Comments

D7K wrote on 8/18/2019, 8:33 AM

Perhaps you should tell us about your system as we have no way of even guessing at what is going wrong.

Grazie wrote on 8/18/2019, 8:43 AM

@D7K - Click On @walter-born signature, there’s loads of system specs there. Looks very powerful.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 8:53 AM

Last crash:


After several retries I could render something.
But I needed to render the sub-track separately and introduce as footage only.

Also I removed any colourgrading except on tracks.
There seems to be no rule. I simply retried several times always with a restart.
it is weird at least.

 

 

 

 

 

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 8:54 AM

Perhaps you should tell us about your system as we have no way of even guessing at what is going wrong.

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

j-v wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:02 AM

@walter-born
I tried to do sommething same as you with files from my GOPro 7, Panasonic X900, smarthone videofiles and 2 slideshows with pics more than 4K from smartphone, all in VPro 7 with a backgrondsound of integrated smartsound from Sonicfire Pro 6.
Totaal 30 minutes project
Added FX's for color, etc.

All went normal, fast preview and rendered to MAVC FHD 50p NVENC, takes 25 minutes to render on laptop from signature.
 

met vriendelijke groet
Jan

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10, i7 7900 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home, version 1903 build 18.362,295 CPU i7 7700HQ, 16 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 15,16,17 and VMS PL 15,16 are installed
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 431.86 Studio Drivers
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Musicvid wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:03 AM

Try disabling "GPU Acceleration of Video Processing" in Preferences.

D7K wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:27 AM

How about rendering each of the segments? See if one in particular is the issue? Perhaps in the "just get it done" category you could then use the rendered files. Maybe not the most elegant but it might get the job done for if you can't isolate the key issue any other way. Musicvid is a quick way for perhaps an easy fix.

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:36 AM

@j-v: That sounds as if I have the wrong computer. Vegas in needs Intel? My Ryzen has far better data, but results are awful with Vegas.
@Musicvid: Done that, no change. I also changed the maximum renderthread setting to 16.

 

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:38 AM

How about rendering each of the segments? See if one in particular is the issue? Perhaps

I did that halfway just to get this small project finished and save my sunday:) But can it be that I buy a 800$ software just to work around bugs?

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

Grazie wrote on 8/18/2019, 9:45 AM

@walter-born - If you haven’t, try activating your NVIDIA away from your CPU I/O Hardware in Preferences. I see from your Task Manager it’s your CPU that’s doing the heavy lifting and your GPU isn't being used, much.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Grazie wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:00 AM

@walter-born - I’ve got my NVIDIA selected and I’ve been doing some heavy lifting with TWIXTOR, Particle Illusion, ColorFast2 and two separate Tracks and using BUILD Ram Renders. So, if there are bugs I haven’t noticed them. Do try the I/O Hardware Tab and select your NVIDIA Card, and away from your CPU.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:03 AM

@Grazie : You mean I should activate GPU acceleration in Preferences/Video settings? Others say deactivate them. Tried both, same results.

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB

j-v wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:09 AM

I'm not @Grazie, but I think he meant this setting

met vriendelijke groet
Jan

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10, i7 7900 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home, version 1903 build 18.362,295 CPU i7 7700HQ, 16 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 15,16,17 and VMS PL 15,16 are installed
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 431.86 Studio Drivers
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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Grazie wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:13 AM

I'm not @Grazie, but I think he meant this setting

@j-v - Yes “he” did 😉. Thanks @j-v. 😎

It will be truly interesting if @walter-born gets a better result. I’d really like to hear back from @walter-born. I’m amazed that such an important Control is way at the bottom of the Menu, almost as if it was a late addition to our beloved VP.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

fr0sty wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:14 AM

Make sure you have the latest Nvidia studio driver installed, not the game ready drivers.

Mohammed_Anis wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:48 AM

Could you perhaps show us the settings for your project?

Mohammed_Anis wrote on 8/18/2019, 10:54 AM

Also, considering that none of your footage is 10 Bit, I would highly suggest that you disable that.

Options -- (HOLD SHIFT) Click Preferences --- Click Internal Tab -- look for ENABLE SO4 COMPOUND and change the value to false.

That should fix...about..give or take, 85 percent of your troubles

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/18/2019, 11:34 AM

Yes, the project settings would be required to say anything.

fr0sty wrote on 8/18/2019, 11:45 AM

"Also, considering that none of your footage is 10 Bit, I would highly suggest that you disable that.

Options -- (HOLD SHIFT) Click Preferences --- Click Internal Tab -- look for ENABLE SO4 COMPOUND and change the value to false.

That should fix...about..give or take, 85 percent of your troubles"

This also breaks compatibility with quicktime files if you do not have QT installed. Best to leave this on until you've ruled out everything else. It's actually quite stable these days.

bvideo wrote on 8/18/2019, 12:04 PM

When results are faulty & inconsistent it may be worth running a memory test. Especially after eliminating the notorious anomalies that often accompany GPU acceleration.

j-v wrote on 8/18/2019, 12:05 PM

@j-v: That sounds as if I have the wrong computer. Vegas in needs Intel? My Ryzen has far better data, but results are awful with Vegas.

I think that all depends on the right settings in Vegas and your hardware combination.
This is my taskbar showing during that render of mine with Nvidia selected, but you can also see the load of the other components of my laptop.
My desktop goes even faster

 

met vriendelijke groet
Jan

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10, i7 7900 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home, version 1903 build 18.362,295 CPU i7 7700HQ, 16 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 15,16,17 and VMS PL 15,16 are installed
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 431.86 Studio Drivers
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

Dutch video tutorials for beginners

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEMCELL DONOR !!!

Mohammed_Anis wrote on 8/18/2019, 3:02 PM

"Also, considering that none of your footage is 10 Bit, I would highly suggest that you disable that.

Options -- (HOLD SHIFT) Click Preferences --- Click Internal Tab -- look for ENABLE SO4 COMPOUND and change the value to false.

That should fix...about..give or take, 85 percent of your troubles"

This also breaks compatibility with quicktime files if you do not have QT installed. Best to leave this on until you've ruled out everything else. It's actually quite stable these days.

Or he could install QT, yes?

I actually didn't know it ruined those files. Huh.

AVsupport wrote on 8/18/2019, 4:27 PM

Please also do try to disable your dynamic RAM preview. This killed my renders

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

walter-born wrote on 8/18/2019, 11:39 PM

Wow, my mailbox is full of messages. I am now setting all of all your tips and let you know what had been set already, what I changed and if it works out.

Walter Born

Vegas 17 pro Suite
Win 10 build 1903
MSI MEG X399 Creation Gaming Mainboard S 
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X - 16x 3.50G   
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Windforce OC 8
G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 64GB
SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA3, 550/520MBs
NAS Qnap TS253A 2x10TB