Vegas Pro 19 (BUILD 550) Crashes When Importing a MP4 File

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 1:45 AM

As you can see in the video, Vegas crashes when I try to import my 360 FPS mp4 clip. I've imported a 600 FPS mp4 clip without any problems before (but it was smaller). It seems that the size is a problem, but I'm not sure. Do you guys know a fix?

CPU: R9 5900X

GPU: RTX 3080

RAM: 32GB

STORAGE: 1TB SAMSUNG SSD

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Grazie wrote on 3/25/2022, 3:16 AM

@Eric-Jones - Get the MP4 uploaded and I’ll have a go.

RogerS wrote on 3/25/2022, 3:39 AM

Can you share MediaInfo for the clip as well? These are unusually high framerates and I wonder if the file has other oddities.

Grazie wrote on 3/25/2022, 3:40 AM

@RogerS - I agree.

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 11:44 AM

Can you share MediaInfo for the clip as well? These are unusually high framerates and I wonder if the file has other oddities.

Yes. Here:

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Admin\Videos\montage\2022-03-23 18-47-34.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 22.6 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 26 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 282 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.76.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Baseline@L6
Format settings                          : 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 min 26 s
Source duration                          : 11 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 271 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 120 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 360.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.363
Stream size                              : 21.7 GiB (96%)
Source stream size                       : 22.6 GiB (100%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 686731
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 140 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 160 kb/s / 160 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 11.5 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : Track1
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Grazie wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:03 PM

@Eric-Jones -That’s some Media.

john_dennis wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:40 PM

@Eric-Jones

Am I correct in thinking this media is a screen capture?

My camera shoots HFR up to 960 FPS, but the files are flagged at 59.940 fps.

When added to the Vegas timeline at the project frame rate slow motion is achieved.

Am I correct in thinking that you want a native 360 fps in Vegas?

The current upper limit in Vegas 19-550 appears to be 240 FPS.

It's like The Eagles Hotel California. You can type in anything you want, but you can never leave.

 

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 2:21 PM

@Eric-Jones - Get the MP4 uploaded and I’ll have a go.

Unfortunately, it seems that the file is way to big to be uploaded.

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 2:22 PM

@Eric-Jones

Am I correct in thinking this media is a screen capture?

My camera shoots HFR up to 960 FPS, but the files are flagged at 59.940 fps.

When added to the Vegas timeline at the project frame rate slow motion is achieved.

Am I correct in thinking that you want a native 360 fps in Vegas?

The current upper limit in Vegas 19-550 appears to be 240 FPS.

It's like The Eagles Hotel California. You can type in anything you want, but you can never leave.

 

Yes it is. You can get 360 fps in Vegas if you let the project match the properties of the media (when you import it).

fr0sty wrote on 3/25/2022, 3:10 PM

Why do you need 360fps? There aren't displays that support it, youtube doesn't support it (or any other social media, they all will downsample it to 60fps), so you're wasting a ton of hard drive space for no real gain unless you are trying to downsample it to slow motion.

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Grazie wrote on 3/25/2022, 3:47 PM

Why do you need 360fps? ……unless you are trying to downsample it to slow motion.

@fr0sty - Yes, that’s what’s been my initial thoughts. Something scientific?

fr0sty wrote on 3/25/2022, 5:52 PM

I know some of the gamer kids on youtube like to record at ridiculously high sample rates in order to force VEGAS to resample them, which they think adds a nice motion blur to the image, but it's nowhere near as good as real smart motion blur does it, and it creates more problems than it solves.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 6:09 PM

You'd better share you footage in a link to see whether others will reproduce it or not.

@Eric-Jones - Get the MP4 uploaded and I’ll have a go.

I trimmed the MP4 file to make it smaller in size (it still crashes Vegas). Here.

Eric-Jones wrote on 3/25/2022, 6:14 PM

You'd better share you footage in a link to see whether others will reproduce it or not.

@Eric-Jones - Get the MP4 uploaded and I’ll have a go.

I trimmed the MP4 file to make it smaller in size (it still crashes Vegas). Here.

It seems that it got compressed to 30 fps... Here's the OneDrive link (360 fps, it crashes my Vegas): https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArdFTOQeHjIEbnfxTHinSs7AlAE

john_dennis wrote on 3/25/2022, 8:57 PM

@Eric-Jones

I ran the following tests on the machine in my signature:

My advice:

  1. Stick with Vegas Pro 15 or an earlier version of Vegas Pro if you were able to run 360 FPS.
  2. File a support ticket with the over-worked under-compensated Vegas Pro development team.
  3. While you're waiting for a response, find something useful to do with your work and/or spare time.
  4. Learn about the valuable contributions that the creation and adherence to standards have made to the advancement of society.
  5. Consider that a large number of the people on this planet don't have the benefit of a flush toilet or a 60 watt light bulb while you waste your time and energy on this endeavor.

Feel free to mark my comments as the solution to this "problem". You've just gotten some valuable advice for free.

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Former user wrote on 3/25/2022, 9:10 PM

It seems that it got compressed to 30 fps... Here's the OneDrive link (360 fps, it crashes my Vegas): https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArdFTOQeHjIEbnfxTHinSs7AlAE

It looks to be the buggy Vegas GPU decoder, Turn off GPU decoding in File IO in preferences. (Not Legacy AVC)

Yes it is. You can get 360 fps in Vegas if you let the project match the properties of the media (when you import it).

That isn't true for Modern Vegas's. as John Dennis said, 240fps

walter-i. wrote on 3/26/2022, 2:50 AM
My advice:
  1. Stick with Vegas Pro 15 or an earlier version of Vegas Pro if you were able to run 360 FPS.
  2. File a support ticket with the over-worked under-compensated Vegas Pro development team.
  3. While you're waiting for a response, find something useful to do with your work and/or spare time.
  4. Learn about the valuable contributions that the creation and adherence to standards have made to the advancement of society.
  5. Consider that a large number of the people on this planet don't have the benefit of a flush toilet or a 60 watt light bulb while you waste your time and energy on this endeavor.

Feel free to mark my comments as the solution to this "problem". You've just gotten some valuable advice for free.

@john_dennis
You speak from my heart.....😍

andyrpsmith wrote on 3/26/2022, 5:14 AM

Also runs on V16, not V17/18 or 19 at 360fps.

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

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Eric-Jones wrote on 3/26/2022, 12:30 PM

It seems that it got compressed to 30 fps... Here's the OneDrive link (360 fps, it crashes my Vegas): https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArdFTOQeHjIEbnfxTHinSs7AlAE

It looks to be the buggy Vegas GPU decoder, Turn off GPU decoding in File IO in preferences. (Not Legacy AVC)

Yes it is. You can get 360 fps in Vegas if you let the project match the properties of the media (when you import it).

That isn't true for Modern Vegas's. as John Dennis said, 240fps

Not sure about that.

Musicvid wrote on 3/26/2022, 1:13 PM

@Eric-Jones

The clip you provided is noncompliant with the H264/AVC Specification. The fact that it "may" open in one application version and not another is what is known as a "red herring;" something that is neither expected nor predictable.

Be aware that most capture applications ignore Profile / Level / Format restrictions imposed by the MPEG-ISO/IEC and ITU-T. So it is easy for hobbyists to twiddle the controls well outside of allowable limits, unaware of the Frankenfile they are creating.

Using your clip as an illustration:

  1. Your video is encoded Baseline Profile / Level 6, or BP@L6 in shorthand.
  2. The Baseline Profile supports 240Mbps@L6. Your clip is 378Mbps Average Bit Rate.
  3. No existing H264/AVC Level supports 360 FPS. So opening it is a bit like shooting craps, blindfolded.

I suspect that as is witnessed periodically on this forum, you may have been drawn in by internet alchemists.

 

 

 

Former user wrote on 3/26/2022, 3:24 PM
 

That isn't true for Modern Vegas's. as John Dennis said, 240fps

Not sure about that.

When you're playing the file it shows 240fps

Former user wrote on 3/26/2022, 5:23 PM

@Eric-Jones

The clip you provided is noncompliant with the H264/AVC Specification. The fact that it "may" open in one application version and not another is what is known as a "red herring;" something that is neither expected nor predictable.

Be aware that most capture applications ignore Profile / Level / Format restrictions imposed by the MPEG-ISO/IEC and ITU-T. So it is easy for hobbyists to twiddle the controls well outside of allowable limits, unaware of the Frankenfile they are creating.

@Musicvid I tried a 360fps video of standard h.264, it loads with GPU decoder active, does not crash. So this is a bug with how Vegas handles this file type , it should not use the GPU decoder. As a comparison Resolve and Premiere load file without problems, Resolve doesn't use GPU decoding, while Premiere does.

Reyfox wrote on 3/28/2022, 4:48 AM

@Former user are you using the free or Studio version of Resolve? During playback I do have GPU decoding working in Studio.

I've found that this particular file works in some editors, and in others, it doesn't.

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Former user wrote on 3/28/2022, 5:06 AM

@Reyfox I am using 17.4.5 and Resolve Studio is not using GPU Decode for the users 360fps file, decoder works fine for regular h.264. I had thought, like Vegas, it also has a problem with this file type, but if you are getting decode then could be my install. Something does feel a bit 'off' about this version so may go back to previous release