Vegas Pro and GoPro 11 formats (Vegas 20)

Hamilton53 wrote on 9/27/2022, 5:48 PM

I've been crashing during editing trying to edit the GoPro 11 8x7 format and somewhat editing 5.3K format in general. Setting my Dynamic RAM Preview back to 5% fixed my rendering freezes, but I'm still crashing every 5 minutes today with 4K-60 that has been cropped to either 9x16 or 16x9 (portrait) from a 3840x3360 image. Trying to use the trimmer is just about impossible without it crashing. All my settings in Vegas are default except for unchecking Legacy HVEC under File I/O.

The reason I question whether it's the 8x7 format image is because I have few issues with 4K-30 recorded in a standard 9x16 format (3840x2160p). It may be my GPU just isn't up to handling this increased demand (at 60 FPS) and it's not an issue with Vegas.

Intel i7 - 7700 (32GB RAM) - Nvidia 1070 graphics card - Windows 11.

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 9/27/2022, 6:17 PM

Proxy creation before editing is recommended with all GoPro footage. It is an acquisition format that is just not optimized for efficient editing. If you can upload a little native 8x7 footage to Drive or Dropbox, I'd like to test it in VP 20.

Hamilton53 wrote on 9/28/2022, 9:21 AM

Musicid - I'm concerned the GoPro raw footage is proprietary and hesitate to post a link to it.

RogerS wrote on 9/28/2022, 9:24 AM

What does proprietary mean? Shoot a few seconds of your cat or something inanimate and upload that.

Hamilton53 wrote on 9/28/2022, 10:03 AM

After reading through the GoPro licensing agreement, it appears uploading RAW GP footage is okay.

Here's a zip file link that contains ~1.GB of footage shot at 8x7 format (3840/3360) - 4K 60fps from a GoPro 11.

Note: Clicking the link will immediately start downloading the file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtQyUnq0VT843BM2WcL1Ea467Ck5?e=NPAmT2

Last changed by Hamilton53 on 9/28/2022, 10:07 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

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j-v wrote on 9/28/2022, 12:30 PM

With your file I don't see those problems on my laptop from signature.
All settings default except in File I/O not using legacy HEVC decoding
Playing the file went smooth

Also using cropping no problem

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Musicvid wrote on 9/28/2022, 1:15 PM
  • Previews pretty well with the proxy.
  • Interesting aspect for action shooting -- reminds me of a Box Brownie.
  • Nothing remarkable about the format -- vanilla 60p HEVC 8 bit 709.
john_dennis wrote on 9/28/2022, 2:14 PM

On Vegas 19, using proxies and less than Best /Full preview, I could probably get it done with the ancient machine from my signature.

It's getting upgraded soon. You should start thinking about a hardware upgrade, too, if you keep updating you acquisition hardware.

Hamilton53 wrote on 9/28/2022, 2:32 PM

The 8.7 format offers more editing options. Especially when shot at 5.3K (5312, 4668p). You can crop it either by 9x16 (think YouTube) or by 16x9 (Instagram) and not have to decide between horizontal or portrait mounting of the camera.

I can get a nice full frame reel on Instagram by cropping 4668 (total vertical) x 2625, or move the vertical crop up or down in a 9x16.

As far as testing the raw video I'd suggest duplicating it about 5 times, drag it onto the timeline then start using the trimmer on a section. See if the stability remains.

Musicvid wrote on 9/28/2022, 5:36 PM

As opposed to copying the proxy event five times? No contest.

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/4/2022, 4:48 AM

I get the same problem with GoPro 11 and Vegas 19. It does not seem to be a format problem as normal 16:9 does the same. Locks up at various stages. Even causes the title software to crash! Computer goes into lockdown. Still trying to find the cause.

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/4/2022, 5:58 AM

I get the same problem with GoPro 11 and Vegas 19. It does not seem to be a format problem as normal 16:9 does the same. Locks up at various stages. Even causes the title software to crash! Computer goes into lockdown. Still trying to find the cause.

And before you ask, the program is running on a i7 with 16Gb. Also it works with all my other video cameras including a Qoocam Ego, GoPro 9 and GoPro Fusion.

Dexcon wrote on 12/4/2022, 6:53 AM

... the program is running on a i7 with 16Gb

But i7-xxxx ???? - 4xxx, 5xxx, 6xxx etc.??? And for 4K, 16GB is under Vegas Pro's recommended RAM for 4K -

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/specifications/#productMenu

But I believe that the main difference may be that GoPro's prior to 11 had a 4K choice of either H.24 (mp4) or HEVC. My GoPro Black 11 only offers HEVC for 4K - and that is liable to choke Vegas Pro particularly if the computer is not up to spec

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Former user wrote on 12/4/2022, 5:25 PM

@Hamilton53 What's the media info for your file?

 

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/5/2022, 4:15 AM

I tried a test with the same videos from the GoPro 11 and edited them the same way but using Vegas 18 and had no problems.

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RogerS wrote on 12/5/2022, 4:37 AM

So what's the media? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/6/2022, 3:14 AM

Media details for just one of the videos:

General
  Name: GX010154.MP4
  Folder: M:\GoPro\GoPro 11\2022-12-04 Trelissick Gardens
  Type: Intel HEVC
  Size: 112.70 MB (115,406,888 bytes)
  Created: 04 December 2022, 15:38:39
  Modified: 04 December 2022, 13:36:51
  Accessed: 06 December 2022, 09:11:56
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:00:20.354, 23.976 fps progressive, 3840x2160x32, HEVC
  Audio: 00:00:20.287, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: mxhevcplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 19.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxhevcplug
  Format: Intel HEVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

jetdv wrote on 12/6/2022, 8:58 AM

@Martin-Perrett, that's not the information requested in the previous post if you follow the link. Using Media Info you'll get much more detailed information.

Under Options - Preferences - File I/O, is the "Legacy HEVC" checked or unchecked? Try it the opposite way.

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/6/2022, 9:53 AM

@Martin-Perrett, that's not the information requested in the previous post if you follow the link. Using Media Info you'll get much more detailed information.

Under Options - Preferences - File I/O, is the "Legacy HEVC" checked or unchecked? Try it the opposite way.

This was the answer to the problem. All works once I unticked that box. Many thanks