Vegas Pro and GoPro 11 formats (Vegas 20)

Mark-Linenbroker wrote on 9/27/2022, 5:48 PM

I've been crashing during editing trying to edit the GoPro 11 8x7 format and somewhat editing 5.3K format in general. Setting my Dynamic RAM Preview back to 5% fixed my rendering freezes, but I'm still crashing every 5 minutes today with 4K-60 that has been cropped to either 9x16 or 16x9 (portrait) from a 3840x3360 image. Trying to use the trimmer is just about impossible without it crashing. All my settings in Vegas are default except for unchecking Legacy HVEC under File I/O.

The reason I question whether it's the 8x7 format image is because I have few issues with 4K-30 recorded in a standard 9x16 format (3840x2160p). It may be my GPU just isn't up to handling this increased demand (at 60 FPS) and it's not an issue with Vegas.

Intel i7 - 7700 (32GB RAM) - Nvidia 1070 graphics card - Windows 11.

Last changed by Mark-Linenbroker

Windows 11; GPU Nvidia GTX 1070

Most often edit GoPro files 1920x1080. Videos may have up to 9 tracks.

General
Complete name                            : D:\Produce\Backrow.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 153 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 12.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate                                 : 11.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.190
Stream size                              : 151 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 2.42 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
 

 

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 9/27/2022, 6:17 PM

Proxy creation before editing is recommended with all GoPro footage. It is an acquisition format that is just not optimized for efficient editing. If you can upload a little native 8x7 footage to Drive or Dropbox, I'd like to test it in VP 20.

Mark-Linenbroker wrote on 9/28/2022, 9:21 AM

Musicid - I'm concerned the GoPro raw footage is proprietary and hesitate to post a link to it.

Windows 11; GPU Nvidia GTX 1070

Most often edit GoPro files 1920x1080. Videos may have up to 9 tracks.

General
Complete name                            : D:\Produce\Backrow.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 153 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 12.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate                                 : 11.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.190
Stream size                              : 151 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 2.42 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
 

 

RogerS wrote on 9/28/2022, 9:24 AM

What does proprietary mean? Shoot a few seconds of your cat or something inanimate and upload that.

Mark-Linenbroker wrote on 9/28/2022, 10:03 AM

After reading through the GoPro licensing agreement, it appears uploading RAW GP footage is okay.

Here's a zip file link that contains ~1.GB of footage shot at 8x7 format (3840/3360) - 4K 60fps from a GoPro 11.

Note: Clicking the link will immediately start downloading the file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtQyUnq0VT843BM2WcL1Ea467Ck5?e=NPAmT2

Last changed by Mark-Linenbroker on 9/28/2022, 10:07 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Windows 11; GPU Nvidia GTX 1070

Most often edit GoPro files 1920x1080. Videos may have up to 9 tracks.

General
Complete name                            : D:\Produce\Backrow.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 153 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 12.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate                                 : 11.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.190
Stream size                              : 151 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 2.42 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
 

 

j-v wrote on 9/28/2022, 12:30 PM

With your file I don't see those problems on my laptop from signature.
All settings default except in File I/O not using legacy HEVC decoding
Playing the file went smooth

Also using cropping no problem

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Musicvid wrote on 9/28/2022, 1:15 PM
  • Previews pretty well with the proxy.
  • Interesting aspect for action shooting -- reminds me of a Box Brownie.
  • Nothing remarkable about the format -- vanilla 60p HEVC 8 bit 709.
john_dennis wrote on 9/28/2022, 2:14 PM

On Vegas 19, using proxies and less than Best /Full preview, I could probably get it done with the ancient machine from my signature.

It's getting upgraded soon. You should start thinking about a hardware upgrade, too, if you keep updating you acquisition hardware.

My main system:
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O/S: Windows 10 Pro 22H2, Build 19045.2130

Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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Mark-Linenbroker wrote on 9/28/2022, 2:32 PM

The 8.7 format offers more editing options. Especially when shot at 5.3K (5312, 4668p). You can crop it either by 9x16 (think YouTube) or by 16x9 (Instagram) and not have to decide between horizontal or portrait mounting of the camera.

I can get a nice full frame reel on Instagram by cropping 4668 (total vertical) x 2625, or move the vertical crop up or down in a 9x16.

As far as testing the raw video I'd suggest duplicating it about 5 times, drag it onto the timeline then start using the trimmer on a section. See if the stability remains.

Windows 11; GPU Nvidia GTX 1070

Most often edit GoPro files 1920x1080. Videos may have up to 9 tracks.

General
Complete name                            : D:\Produce\Backrow.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 153 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 12.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:37:55

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L4@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate                                 : 11.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.190
Stream size                              : 151 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 1 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 2.42 MiB (2%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-06-06 00:38:00
 

 

Musicvid wrote on 9/28/2022, 5:36 PM

As opposed to copying the proxy event five times? No contest.

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/4/2022, 4:48 AM

I get the same problem with GoPro 11 and Vegas 19. It does not seem to be a format problem as normal 16:9 does the same. Locks up at various stages. Even causes the title software to crash! Computer goes into lockdown. Still trying to find the cause.

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/4/2022, 5:58 AM

I get the same problem with GoPro 11 and Vegas 19. It does not seem to be a format problem as normal 16:9 does the same. Locks up at various stages. Even causes the title software to crash! Computer goes into lockdown. Still trying to find the cause.

And before you ask, the program is running on a i7 with 16Gb. Also it works with all my other video cameras including a Qoocam Ego, GoPro 9 and GoPro Fusion.

Dexcon wrote on 12/4/2022, 6:53 AM

... the program is running on a i7 with 16Gb

But i7-xxxx ???? - 4xxx, 5xxx, 6xxx etc.??? And for 4K, 16GB is under Vegas Pro's recommended RAM for 4K -

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/specifications/#productMenu

But I believe that the main difference may be that GoPro's prior to 11 had a 4K choice of either H.24 (mp4) or HEVC. My GoPro Black 11 only offers HEVC for 4K - and that is liable to choke Vegas Pro particularly if the computer is not up to spec

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, Vegas Pro 20 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2023, Mocha Pro 2022.5.1, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 9, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

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E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

todd-b wrote on 12/4/2022, 5:25 PM

@Mark-Linenbroker What's the media info for your file?

 

Martin-Perrett wrote on 12/5/2022, 4:15 AM

I tried a test with the same videos from the GoPro 11 and edited them the same way but using Vegas 18 and had no problems.

Computer Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6950X CPU @ 3.00GHz 

 

RogerS wrote on 12/5/2022, 4:37 AM

So what's the media? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/