Video decreases in Quality after rendering, and thensome after YouTube

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 6:25 AM

Hello all,

I have recently came across a rather upsetting problem in Vegas Pro 15. I have been trying to record video gameplay of mount and blade warband. I noticed after rendering the quality of video drops from the original raw video. This is upsetting, as I am trying to be as professional as possible. This problem only gets worse as I upload to YouTube in which my videos look quite terribleIs there anyway for me to capture the resolution of the original raw recordings quality? I put in some screenshots for my setup. I honestly do not know what the problem is? I always try to match the video settings of the video I am editing, but it seems like I am doing something wrong. Any help would be appreciated. I'd upload the raw footage here, but its about an hour in length and not even my post render video of 10 minutes fits here.

Thanks for any help.

- Jason

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jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 6:36 AM

Musicvid wrote on 4/18/2018, 8:58 AM

1. Vegas' encoders are optimized for camera video, not computer animation. For that reason, some people choose to render their Vegas project to a digital intermediate such as XAVC-I for encoding in Handbrake, where the full x264 Presets and Tunes, including Animation, are available. Beyond that, guidance for Handbrake is to be found on that forum, not here.

2. YouTube does what it does to your video.

3. Encoding at higher-than-optimal bitrates (26Mbps is overkill) does not change rule #2.

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 9:14 AM

1. Vegas' encoders are optimized for camera video, not computer animation. For that reason, some people choose to render their Vegas project to a digital intermediate such as XAVC-I for encoding in Handbrake, where the full x264 Presets and Tunes, including Animation, are available. Beyond that, guidance for Handbrake is to be found on that forum, not here.

2. YouTube does what it does to your video.

3. Encoding at higher-than-optimal bitrates (26Mbps is overkill) does not change rule #2.


Thank you for the reply. I will render it, and check out Handbrake! :D

john_dennis wrote on 4/18/2018, 9:28 AM

It’s unlikely to make a difference, but given progressive capture, you don’t need a Deinterlace method in your Project Properties. As smart as Smart Resample might be, in this case, try Disable Resample.

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 10:10 AM

Hmm I tried following both of your advices, but it really doesn't seem like it has gotten any better results. Even with handbrake.

john_dennis wrote on 4/18/2018, 11:10 AM

Put a short sample of your source on dropbox, google drive etc. and post the link here.

Read what others have done before you.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/it-ain-t-gonna-look-good-at-3-mbps--98139/?page=1

 

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 11:38 AM

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LmsRMWxu4GDOWxsom9Fc-o0cUw3fbR91/view

 

Here is a short sample. I'm reading through that post now.

Vliegvisser wrote on 4/18/2018, 12:37 PM

I noticed after rendering the quality of video drops from the original raw video.

Where do you see that quality drop?
When I render your given sourcefile to a Sony AVC Mp4 with lower bitrate, see Media Info under

and put that rendered file back on the timeline of Vegas Pro 15 below the sourcefile, I can't see any drop in quality.

Did you also try this to compare both source and rendered file?

 

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 12:40 PM

The quality drop isn't until after the render. That was just a source clip. Check out the after render youtube video here.

 

Everything is blurry. I have tried comparing both sources, and honestly they look different on my side. Maybe its my settings. I'm lost as to what is happening.

 

It also might help to mention that its not a continuous blurry mess. It comes it goes as I move. It's quite weird.

 

Edit: I just rendered it as usual on my regular settings and it came out pretty good. I guess its the longer videos that seem to take a beating.

OldSmoke wrote on 4/18/2018, 1:35 PM

The quality drop isn't until after the render. That was just a source clip. Check out the after render youtube video here.

 

Everything is blurry. I have tried comparing both sources, and honestly they look different on my side. Maybe its my settings. I'm lost as to what is happening.

 

It also might help to mention that its not a continuous blurry mess. It comes it goes as I move. It's quite weird.

 

Edit: I just rendered it as usual on my regular settings and it came out pretty good. I guess its the longer videos that seem to take a beating.

Don’t forget that YT takes time to process your video, especially 1080 60p. During the processing time, only lower quality is available. A 1 hour video can take up to an hour and more for YT to convert and make available at 1080 60p especially if you upload high bitrate videos.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

john_dennis wrote on 4/18/2018, 1:59 PM

Your sample file didn't have the same fine detail and motion as your video that you complain about. The Mediainfo report for that sample file:

Comment, but we really need to see a sample that more closely matches your game play.

john_dennis wrote on 4/18/2018, 2:03 PM

Here's how I see your problem video:

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 2:29 PM

Yeah the video is pretty blurry, it makes me want to rip my hair out. I am going to try my best to get some raw footage uploaded using google drive, but it is taking a while. Thank you all very much for your help.

jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 3:12 PM

Here is the link. It is rather late here, so I may not respond for a while.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ofcUBUQ-nQYPdtnL788LLR1UOOikusvr/view?usp=sharing

john_dennis wrote on 4/18/2018, 4:54 PM

How does this look to you?

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jason-bell wrote on 4/18/2018, 11:57 PM

Looks a hell of a lot better than my YouTube videos, but still maybe not as good as the original source, which is saddening. Still, it is an improvement nonetheless, and I am very happy! Teach me your Magic?

I haven't had a chance to look through your recommended post completely yet, but I plan on doing that after my classes have finished.

NickHope wrote on 4/19/2018, 2:06 AM

There's an FAQ post here about improving the quality of AVC renders. It's a little out of date since it doesn't cover the new Magix AVC codec, and I'm not sure if Vegas2Handbrake can still be made to work, but there are good guideline in it nonetheless: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-improve-the-quality-of-my-avc-h-264-renders--104642/

Your YouTube video is in AVC format (found by right clicking on it and choosing stats for nerds). You may be able to force it to VP9 using the method described in this comment, and that should be closer to the original than AVC. Please let us know if it works.

jason-bell wrote on 4/19/2018, 9:58 AM

I'm checking this out now. I followed your instructions to the best of my ability. It was kind of a lot to take in at once, so hopefully I did it right. i'll let you know how it turns out after uploading to youtube.

jason-bell wrote on 4/19/2018, 12:43 PM

Okay I did as you said, but it looks like it isn't moving to VP9. Also the quality of the video is somewhat better, but it feels like the quality comes and goes throughout the video. Which breaks my heart. :( Also my vegas pro 15 seems to be missing MAINCONCEPT AVC/MVC ENCODER, so I used Sony AVC/MVC.

Vliegvisser wrote on 4/19/2018, 1:12 PM

Also my vegas pro 15 seems to be missing MAINCONCEPT AVC/MVC ENCODER, so I used Sony AVC/MVC.

My VP15 has the MC AVC integrated in Magix AVC, if you want the old MC AVC codec you have to allow this in Options/Preferences/Internal.

 

jason-bell wrote on 4/20/2018, 12:26 AM

Well I tried uploading with the Magix AVC. The video turned out really great . . . then I uploaded it to YouTube,

I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I am debating throwing in the towel. It's frustrating trying to make professional youtube videos and dishing out money for high quality specs only to have this be the end result. Man oh man does this stink.

Former user wrote on 4/20/2018, 5:27 AM

Are you choosing the correct quality playback from Youtube. The 1080p from your video above looks pretty good.

jason-bell wrote on 4/28/2018, 1:03 PM

Apologies for the late response as I was away from my computer.

Yes, I have chosen the right playback. While at times it holds out well, it occasionally falls apart and looses its quality here and there.

john_dennis wrote on 4/28/2018, 1:10 PM

Let's review...