Video project sound much worse than original on my iPhone/heard online

marylynn-t wrote on 3/26/2017, 7:23 PM

Hi...I am very new to this program, so bear with me! I have imported a video shot during an onstage rock performance of a single singer. The sound was fine on my phone that I recorded it on (iPhone 6) and fine when I uploaded it and played it through Facebook, on my PC etc. At one point I think I saved it as HD. But when I brought it into SVP to do some edits, and add a title etc the sound became distorted....as if the audio track was separating the vocal, guitar, and unfortunately the feedback from the monitor. Does this have anything to do with the original settings for the project...or can I use some fixes to get rid of the monitor buzz? Many thanks!

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Musicvid wrote on 3/26/2017, 8:03 PM

Back up a page and post MediaInfo per the directions for both source and render. It will also be necessary for you to upload a sample of the footage from your phone to a legit file share site.

That said, I have never heard iPhone audio from a concert that "sounded fine," except on an iPhone ...

john_dennis wrote on 3/26/2017, 8:20 PM

If your audio is anything like my son's iPhone 6, the likelihood of a high quality result is low. You should get it to pass through Vegas with minimal  further distortion, however.

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Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
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Minimum frame rate                       : 28.571 FPS
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Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 spf)
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Musicvid wrote on 3/26/2017, 8:29 PM

The spl handling of phones and portables is also quite bad. Holding it in front of a speaker or monitor only makes matters worse. Uploading such footage is kind of risky.

john_dennis wrote on 3/27/2017, 12:18 AM

It's possible (likely) that the iPhone 6 audio is distorting in Vegas Pro. Smartphones and many cameras use automatic gain control to maximize the loudness of the audio when recording. The AGC will run the volume right up to the maximum before clipping. I observed input meter clipping when I put Mono audio into a stereo Vegas Pro project. One way to avoid this is to change Pan Type of the audio track from Add Channels (0 db Center) to virtually anything else. In this video, I chose -6db since the audio was plenty loud already.

 

JackW wrote on 3/27/2017, 12:35 AM

It pretty much has to do with the fact that you're trying to record with a telephone. As soon as you bring the sound from a telephone into a decent sound system all the flaws created by the telephone will be intensified.

marylynn-t wrote on 3/27/2017, 12:20 PM

Back up a page and post MediaInfo per the directions for both source and render. It will also be necessary for you to upload a sample of the footage from your phone to a legit file share site.

That said, I have never heard iPhone audio from a concert that "sounded fine," except on an iPhone ...

What is render? (told you I am new!)

 

john_dennis wrote on 3/27/2017, 12:52 PM

When you "render" in Vegas Pro, you commit all your edits and save to a new file. None of your source files are changed, but rather you create a new file.

 

marylynn-t wrote on 3/27/2017, 1:45 PM

It's possible (likely) that the iPhone 6 audio is distorting in Vegas Pro. Smartphones and many cameras use automatic gain control to maximize the loudness of the audio when recording. The AGC will run the volume right up to the maximum before clipping. I observed input meter clipping when I put Mono audio into a stereo Vegas Pro project. One way to avoid this is to change Pan Type of the audio track from Add Channels (0 db Center) to virtually anything else. In this video, I chose -6db since the audio was plenty loud already.

 

Thanks I will try this. A question: if it sounds fine uploaded to Facebook...I do some edits in SVP (even if it sounds bad) and then upload again to FB...does this make sense? The final purpose is just to use this singer's video on FB.

john_dennis wrote on 3/27/2017, 2:51 PM

Your Vegas edits should add value to the video clip, trimming to get rid of extraneous material, titles, color correction, volume level adjustment, etc, or they may not be justified if all you want is the spontaneous view of the performance. That said, you should be able to edit in Vegas Pro without making the output look and sound worse. Folks do it all the time, all over the world. Even I can do it so that means it must be possible for others.

If you get your audio to sound good in Vegas Pro, perhaps you could render to XAVC S Long GOP 1920x1080-29.97p. That render option uses LPCM lossless audio and your output won't suffer any further degradation from the encode in Vegas Pro. Get a good Internet connection as the files are large.

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NickHope wrote on 3/28/2017, 3:18 AM

With any iPhone video, I would start by converting it from mov to mp4, to take Quicktime for Windows out of the scenario. It probably won't fix the audio by itself, but it's generally a good thing to do for iPhone video, in particular for smoother playback and corrected luminance (brightness/contrast) in Vegas.

If audio distortion is simply caused by the overloading you will see the audio waveform preview touching the top and bottom of the track and perhaps even get clipped ("cut off") at the peaks. For example, here's a mono track I recorded recently, zoomed in, with clipped audio:

There are some free plugins that attempt to repair such distortion. If this is really the issue, then one of these might help.

marylynn-t wrote on 3/28/2017, 7:05 AM

With any iPhone video, I would start by converting it from mov to mp4, to take Quicktime for Windows out of the scenario. It probably won't fix the audio by itself, but it's generally a good thing to do for iPhone video, in particular for smoother playback and corrected luminance (brightness/contrast) in Vegas.

If audio distortion is simply caused by the overloading you will see the audio waveform preview touching the top and bottom of the track and perhaps even get clipped ("cut off") at the peaks. For example, here's a mono track I recorded recently, zoomed in, with clipped audio:

There are some free plugins that attempt to repair such distortion. If this is really the issue, then one of these might help.

Hi..what is overloading? I think the problem is the sound coming from the performer's monitor onstage, heard on top of the vocal and guitar miked sounds. I"m just guessing...not a sound engineer lol.

NickHope wrote on 3/28/2017, 7:51 AM

Hi..what is overloading?

I mean the peak values exceeding 0dBFS (decibels). Devices with automatic gain compensation, like phones and many cameras, are designed to avoid that, but they may not always succeed.

Musicvid wrote on 3/28/2017, 7:38 PM

The most helpful thing would be to upload an original sample as suggested.