Will overclocking processor improve rendering speeds?

eldred wrote on 6/2/2017, 12:49 PM

Hi All

I have a year 2013 i5-4670K-3.4GHz processor with a Firepro card. Will over-clocking the processor make any difference when rendering with Vegas Pro13? It's not OCed at the moment as I have read many comments that OCed processors do not make any differences when it comes to video rendering.

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john_dennis wrote on 6/2/2017, 1:14 PM

[Opinion]

If you have to ask the question, then all the time and effort you invest into learning to overclock would be better spent improving your techniques for editing and improving your video processing workflow.

[/Opinion]

Do you want to be a computer nerd or a video editor?

OldSmoke wrote on 6/2/2017, 1:55 PM

Yes, it will improve render times and playback performance. How much depends on the rest of your system, eventually other components become bottlenecks.

Intel's K version CPUs are meant for overclocking and if you have a good motherboard, it will do it for you; no need to be a "nerd". Being just an editor works if you work for a company, if you work on your own you better be both, an editor and computer savvy.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

eldred wrote on 6/2/2017, 8:37 PM

Many thanks, OldSmoke. My MO is a Gigabyte Z87-type, should be good enough. A decent TX650M-PSU should be more than sufficient to drive all other components.

John, I rendered a 25-second UHD clip last night and that took 3.33 minutes. I just want to harness more speed from my PC so that I can have more time for things like sleeping. Workloads will soon become more heavier as I am taking on a new project. Time becomes more valuable.

OldSmoke's correct... I work for myself and it's important to be computer savvy but not necessary a computer nerd. I built my own boxes and the ability to pop open the hood and solving problems is priceless when something goes wrong with the hardware or software without having to call in the local techie which may take several days to resolve depending on his workloads. That again is time saved and having the power to meet editing deadlines.

Musicvid wrote on 6/2/2017, 9:38 PM

We do things the old-fashioned way - - sleep while rendering.

Never heard of a production deadline missed because the hardware was not overclocked .

We've got a lot of hardware power users here - - and some video editors too...

OldSmoke wrote on 6/2/2017, 10:05 PM

Many thanks, OldSmoke. My MO is a Gigabyte Z87-type, should be good enough. A decent TX650M-PSU should be more than sufficient to drive all other components.

John, I rendered a 25-second UHD clip last night and that took 3.33 minutes. I just want to harness more speed from my PC so that I can have more time for things like sleeping. Workloads will soon become more heavier as I am taking on a new project. Time becomes more valuable.

OldSmoke's correct... I work for myself and it's important to be computer savvy but not necessary a computer nerd. I built my own boxes and the ability to pop open the hood and solving problems is priceless when something goes wrong with the hardware or software without having to call in the local techie which may take several days to resolve depending on his workloads. That again is time saved and having the power to meet editing deadlines.

650W is not a lot. Power consumption goes up fast when you overclock. What is your graphic card like?

Are you using a watercooled system? In any case, dont go for a massive OC but a stable one. That should be between 4 and 4.4GHz for your processor. That is a good 15-30% increment in speed.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 6/2/2017, 10:06 PM

We do things the old-fashioned way - - sleep while rendering.

You said it perfectly, it's old fashioned.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

eldred wrote on 6/2/2017, 10:46 PM

Well, I like to be awake while rendering is in progress. What's really time consuming is uploading the finished product through FTP... that, I prefer to zzzzzzzzz during this stage as depending on bandwidth, a queue of 4 clips may take a whole night sometimes and allows me to have a nice catnap.

The card is a Firepro 4100, older model before current W4100. Cooler is a CoolerMaster 212X. I don't like water coolers and prefer to stick to dry coolers. Previously I tried OCCT-stressing the processor for an hour. Voltages and temps are stable, always below 70'C. Current rendering temps is average 52'C

astar wrote on 6/3/2017, 12:35 PM

I think the bottom line is your system is just to meger. No i5 with vegas. The w4100 is a photoshop card at 650 GFLOP. The VP11 minimum was a 5770 at 1300 GFLOPs. Just dump it. Buy a skylake system with 16GB+ RAM, SSD, an RX480, and be done with trying to make something out of that system.

Buy more upload speed from your ISP if you uploads are to slow. CenturyLink offers 40/20 service in most areas, and will bond 2 of those together for 80/40 for even more upload speed.

 

 

eldred wrote on 6/3/2017, 7:17 PM

Yeap, this box was built for PS originally before I had an interest in videography. A system upgrade was already on the list this year so your suggestion is appropriate. However, none of the higher Firepro(s) are recommended? What about the 9100?

eldred wrote on 6/3/2017, 7:44 PM

Okay, I have to re-think this as the 9100 is way too rich for me...

NickHope wrote on 6/3/2017, 11:10 PM

However, none of the higher Firepro(s) are recommended? What about the 9100?

See this post. Think Radeon over FirePro (or Nvidia) for Vegas.

eldred wrote on 6/4/2017, 12:25 AM

Thanks for the very useful post, Nike. Bookmarked it for repeat reading and equipment choices with the new built. So far, I have not experienced any issues (yet) with the w4100 and VP13 I'll leave it there for now but then... I have a spare Radeon HD 7850 (2G) and am considering pulling out the w4100 and replace it with the HD 7850. Does that make sense?

Astar, I'm okay with my current ISP data plan. The old fashioned method works fine for me. I just want to get the rendering done and be able to put the files into the upload queue before I start sawing logs. As for this current built, I'll tinker under the hood to make it hum faster until I am (knowledgeable) ready for the new built.

bravof wrote on 6/4/2017, 2:27 PM

Yes: processor speed and cores matter a LOT. I have been rendering 4K footage for the last month with a 32 core machine and it's FAST as all 32 cores are working with a Fury X GPU. Rendering times with several filters are between 1 to 3 minutes per 1 minute footage.

But keep in mind that rendering time is only about 1/10 to 1/100 or total time spent on a project :)

NickHope wrote on 6/4/2017, 11:30 PM

I have a spare Radeon HD 7850 (2G) and am considering pulling out the w4100 and replace it with the HD 7850. Does that make sense?

A very quick look at the specs indicates that it does make sense for Vegas GPU acceleration of video processing. But note that it isn't supported for MainConcept AVC OpenCL rendering. You need 4000/5000/6000 series for that. Pretty sure the w4100 is too late to support that too.

eldred wrote on 6/5/2017, 2:34 AM

Noted that the HD8750 does not support MainConcept rendering but that is not an issue at the moment as I do not output in that codec (yet).

Pulled out the w4100 and plugged in the HD8750 yesterday. Updating drivers caused Vegas to give out error box so drivers had to be rolled back. OC to 11.8% and tweaked gpu, (ave gpu core temp 52'C). Anything more than that gets really hot for 212X cooler to handle.

Earlier mentioned 25-sec UHD clip (2 tracks only) now takes 2.44 minutes to render. Tried a 3.22-minute UHD clip render and that took 21.44 minutes... averagely 6.65 minutes to render one minute. No issues with the TX650 psu as it handled the load pretty well; I do short clips mostly so don't think power over-demand on the TX650 is an issue. Ave cpu core temp just about below 70'C.

I think this is the max I can push this old box as I do not want to get any new hardware upgrades like water coolers or processors etc. However, I wouldn't dump it as it still performs well for photography editing and accounting work. I'll live with the slightly vamp-up render speed until I am ready to start on the new built.

Thanks Everyone for chipping in.