.AVI renders audio but no video?!

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 5:23 AM

Hi,

I have a problem with my vegas pro 14, which is when I render my video there is a black screen and audio only. While rendering you can see in the preview the video being rendered frame by frame but when it's rendered i get a black screen with audio only. I use the x264 codec, it worked perfectly last week but I done a windows reinstall since and when I try my rendering settings that were perfect I run into this problem.

I have looked for solutions and have tried a few but still no luck, any help is very appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/15/2019, 6:53 AM

Which media player are you playing your finished file with? The H.264-AVI can be a problematic video format and not all media players can play it. Particularly if you're using Windows Media Player, that could be the issue.

But why work with such an antiquated format? What not save your video as an H.264 MP4? It's more universal and, if you save it as a program stream rather than a video stream, it will absolutely save your video and audio in formats virtually any media player can handle.

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 8:03 AM

I have tried windnows media player and vlc player.

I'm rendering a 2k gameplay video for youtube, I have tried most of the rendering settings from peoples recommendations which makes my videos look like they're in 480p (when rendered in 2k)

The 'video for windows(.avi)' using x264 made my rendered video quality almost perfect to the original video which was 3GB for a 6 minute video and when uploaded to youtube the quality almost stayed the same where as other rendering tests did not even come close to it. Tried rendering the video uncompressed which made it 30gb with quality decrease and also then put through handbrake to get down to around 4GB and by the time it's uploaded to youtube the video's are not pleasant to look at.

I done a windows reinstall which obviously meant i that i had to customize my vegas settings again and when i try to render it in the same format (.avi) and settings as i did previously, I now get only audio and the file size is 300Mb. I can see vegas rendering it frame by frame in the preview window.

Not sure what I could be doing wrong, any help is appreciated.

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 9:48 AM

I have never heard of an .avi with the H264 AVC codec. Most of experts here (Nick, MusicVid, ect., ect) recommend an MP4 AVC/H264 render for uploading to YT.

Could you send me some links so i could give it a try please?

Musicvid wrote on 1/15/2019, 9:52 AM

Please post your file properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

There is an x264vfw codec, but it's not used much, so we need to see the actual source properties rather than speculate, thanks.

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 11:04 AM

Please post your file properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

There is an x264vfw codec, but it's not used much, so we need to see the actual source properties rather than speculate, thanks.

General
Complete name                            : H:\Rendered videos\M5 Steering.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 322 MiB
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Overall bit rate                         : 6 420 kb/s
TCOD                                     : 0
TCDO                                     : 4213375833

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate                                 : 13.2 kb/s
Width                                    : 2 560 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.000
Stream size                              : 676 KiB (0%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 6 144 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 192 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 309 MiB (96%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 250  ms (14.98 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 250  ms

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2019, 11:12 AM

Seriously. You're processing audio at 192 kHz and with a bit rate of 6,144 kb/s and video at a bit rate of 13.2 kb/s? Are you from Earth?

Complete name                            : H:\Rendered videos\M5 Steering.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 322 MiB
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Overall bit rate                         : 6 420 kb/s
TCOD                                     : 0
TCDO                                     : 4213375833

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate                                 : 13.2 kb/s
Width                                    : 2 560 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.000
Stream size                              : 676 KiB (0%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 6 144 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 192 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 309 MiB (96%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 250  ms (14.98 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 250  ms

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 11:19 AM

Seriously. You're processing audio at 192 kHz and with a bit rate of 6,144 kb/s and video at a bit rate of 13.2 kb/s? Are you from Earth?

Complete name                            : H:\Rendered videos\M5 Steering.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 322 MiB
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Overall bit rate                         : 6 420 kb/s
TCOD                                     : 0
TCDO                                     : 4213375833

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate                                 : 13.2 kb/s
Width                                    : 2 560 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.000
Stream size                              : 676 KiB (0%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 7 min 1 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 6 144 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 192 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 309 MiB (96%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 250  ms (14.98 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 250  ms

Sorry, I'm new to this.

I recorded my gameplay in 4k and tried rendering at 2k with that bitrate and seemed to work smoothly last time.

Is there any advice you could give me? As I mentioned above I've tried so many different rendering settings and ended up with potatoes and this seemed to work for me.

as reference I used this ( videos tutorial to get my settings last time before a complete windows wipe and worked a treat for me.

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2019, 11:35 AM

"2K" (or Full High Definition) would be 1920x1080. Use this render Template included in Vegas Pro 14 as a starter...

 

If you want to upload 2560x1440, use this render Template included in Vegas Pro 14 as a starter... 

There is also a 4K (Utra High Definition) Render Template included in Vegas Pro 14.

Start with these templates and customize them to suit your needs until you learn what you're doing. Start hanging out at this forum. Some people here have forgotten all this stuff long ago, but are willing to try to remember it all again if you ask. 

tadas-j wrote on 1/15/2019, 12:01 PM

"2K" (or Full High Definition) would be 1920x1080. Use this render Template included in Vegas Pro 14 as a starter...

 

If you want to upload 2560x1440, use this render Template included in Vegas Pro 14 as a starter... 

There is also a 4K (Utra High Definition) Render Template included in Vegas Pro 14.

Start with these templates and customize them to suit your needs until you learn what you're doing. Start hanging out at this forum. Some people here have forgotten all this stuff long ago, but are willing to try to remember it all again if you ask. 

I have tried those templates multiple of times, I'm familiar with them but as I said I cannot achieve no where near the same video quality as i did with what i stated. I've tried different type of bitrates from low to high, tried multipass and deblocking, tried rendering with gpu and cpu but it always end looking a 480p video by the time it's uploaded to youtube. I'm giving the 1080p HD template customized a try now since I havent done since my windows wipe but I highly doubt anything would have changed.

Like I said any help is very appreciated

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2019, 12:15 PM

Learn This.

It's deep but it will allow you to produce anything you want.

Musicvid wrote on 1/15/2019, 1:59 PM

Sorry, I'm new to this.

I recorded my gameplay in 4k and ...

We need to back up here. You are not capturing your gameplay to a compatible or sensible format for Vegas. If you are using Shadowplay, don't even do that.

When you have a reasonable capture, post the properties again and let us know how it went.

I will not recommend you download any codecs, you simply do not want h264 in AVI!

START HERE:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-what-obs-studio-settings-work-well-with-vegas-pro--109925/

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2019, 4:46 PM

"I will not recommend you download any codecs, you simply do not want h264 in AVI!"

I respect your advice. One thing you should know about me is that I view stop signs as recommendations. I've done all sorts of shady things in the name of science.

Because I have a current system image that I can restore in < 5 minutes, I installed the x264vfw codec and ran comparative tests against Happy Otter Scripts and Vegas 15 Magix AVC/AAC MP4 Internet AMD VCE render methods. I attempted to match the bit rates and Index, P-frame cadence though the interval between index frames varied.

The x264vfw avi file played in my antiquated Window Media Player, but performed poorly when placed back on the Vegas 15 timeline (as low as 12 FPS preview). Both the Happy Otter Scripts and Vegas 15 Magix AVC/AAC MP4 Internet AMD VCE files played easily at the full 59.94 FPS. I'll speculate that the MP4 wrapper came into play, but that's a test for another day. The x264vfw does have the benefit of PCM audio for those who care and can still hear. The following shows the similarity between the open source codecs.

Overall, the AMD VCE render in Vegas 15 and 16 performed better at the same bit rate for those that have the newer Vegas application and a newer Radeon video adapter.

  

Musicvid wrote on 1/15/2019, 6:01 PM

The AVI container doesn't support b-frames, making x264vfw no more efficient than mpeg-2 PS with no obvious redeeming qualities. Neither does AVI natively support vbr audio, leaving the obviously miswritten metadata in the original files as a compelling predictor of total failure in Vegas.

Other than starkly outdated fascination among older torrent types, It seems just a curiosity (along with Divx and Xvid). Yes, I have the x264vfw codec on my PC.

Less a stop sign to me than a big, slow-moving vehicle. Here's your new ride:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-what-obs-studio-settings-work-well-with-vegas-pro--109925/

 

tadas-j wrote on 1/16/2019, 4:50 AM

Sorry, I'm new to this.

I recorded my gameplay in 4k and ...

We need to back up here. You are not capturing your gameplay to a compatible or sensible format for Vegas. If you are using Shadowplay, don't even do that.

When you have a reasonable capture, post the properties again and let us know how it went.

I will not recommend you download any codecs, you simply do not want h264 in AVI!

START HERE:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-what-obs-studio-settings-work-well-with-vegas-pro--109925/

My first attempt's to record my gameplay was with OBS but for some reason my recorded videos ended up lagging a lot and when i tried recording in 4k with shadowplay the recorded video was pretty much perfect.

I tried rendering my video in multiple 'MainConcept AVC/AVV' templates customized to 2k with two pass, deblocking filter and resmapling disabled at various bitrates and when the video is rendered it seems very pixelated.

I am going to try your advice with the obs now and then render it a couple of times to see the difference. Would you like me to post some final footages? similar videos to mine on youtube look better in 1080p than mine in 2k before uploaded to youtbe.

tadas-j wrote on 1/16/2019, 7:15 AM

I have tried OBS for the last couple of hours and no matter what I done my recorded game play video ends up lagging, tried different bit rates, different encoders (NVENC, QuickSync and x264) and different resolutions. When just recording desktop its seems fine but as soon as i tab into my game thats when the recorded video drops to like 3fps. Tried to record in the lowest in game graphic settings in case it was my GPU (GTX1070) that couldn't keep up but exactly the same thing happens.

Will the orginal recording affect my rendering that much? as I mentioned with shadowplay I get almost perfect recording in 4k 130kbps while it's impossible to record in OBS. Last time I managed to edit and render the 4k 130kbps in vegas without a problem using the .avi format and x264 encoder which made me end up with a 7min 5GB video at 2k at 100mbs and uploading it to youtube didnt shrink my quality.

here is the uplaoded video which I think is of decent enough quality. Any other mainconcept templates I've tried using made my video quality 720p when supposedly it is 2k.

@Musicvid @john_dennis thankyou for taking your time to help me with this situation.

Here is the mediainfo for the file that worked perfect after rendering:

General
Complete name                            : F:\PC REINSTALL BACKUP\AMG C 63 V14 AVI.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 5.10 GiB
Duration                                 : 6 min 48 s
Overall bit rate                         : 107 Mb/s
TCOD                                     : 0
TCDO                                     : 4081243833

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 3 frames
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 6 min 48 s
Bit rate                                 : 100.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 2 560 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.453
Stream size                              : 4.81 GiB (94%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 152 r2851bm ba24899
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=1 / slices=8 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=abr / mbtree=0 / bitrate=100000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 6 min 48 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 6 144 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 192 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 299 MiB (6%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 250  ms (14.98 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 250  ms

Musicvid wrote on 1/16/2019, 10:24 AM

The video lags in Preview, is that all you are saying?

That's a separate system issue caused by recording such high Bitrates, among other things.

If you will start looking here

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-faqs-and-troubleshooting-guides--104787/

You will find there's a FAQ for that, too. #22 to be exact. Have you heard about proxies?

If following the instructions doesn't help with you preview lag, start a new thread with your equipment specs, file properties, and full project, timeline, and render properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

Or, you can figure it all out for yourself, that's ok too.