Best results for Super 8mm event on the Timeline

xberk wrote on 2/26/2017, 11:23 AM

Old subject but still confusing. I have an Image Sequence of some Super 8mm at 1080p 18fps. I want to render part of that out to a format for best results in a 720p 29.97 fps timeline. Ultimately this timeline will output to 720p 29.97fps for upload to YouTube.

 

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john_dennis wrote on 2/26/2017, 11:39 AM

Out of curiosity, have you tried uploading the video to youtube at 18 fps?

OldSmoke wrote on 2/26/2017, 12:16 PM

Out of curiosity, have you tried uploading the video to youtube at 18 fps?


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xberk wrote on 2/26/2017, 12:18 PM

Yes John. If the entire timeline is 18fps, then I can set properties and render to 18fps and upload to YouTube and it looks good to me. Motion looks normal. To see the YouTube frame rate, I downloaded the YouTube file and the frame rate is 17.872.

When I integrate 18fps footage into a larger timeline of mostly 29.97 footage, it looks ok too. . but I'm not sure it couldn't be better. Something to do with the type of pulldown.

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NickHope wrote on 2/26/2017, 10:42 PM

... but I'm not sure it couldn't be better. Something to do with the type of pulldown.

It depends on how your resampling is set. See Chienworks' explanation here.

If you're willing to open up the AviSynth can of worms, you could convert the frame rate to 29.97 using MFlowFps (part of MVtools) with a script like this:

AviSource("d:\fs.avi")
ConvertToYV12
super = MSuper()
backward_vec = MAnalyse(super, overlap=2, isb = true, search=3)
forward_vec = MAnalyse(super, overlap=2, isb = false, search=3)
MFlowFps(super,backward_vec, forward_vec, num=30000, den=1001, blend=false, thSCD1=352, thSCD2=110)
AssumeFPS(29.97)

Use Debugmode Frameserver. Render to an AVI intermediate (MagicYUV, Cineform etc.) in VirtualDub.

I have a related, very old tutorial here, which is over-complicated in this case because your source isn't interlaced. However it might help, and I recently added a list at the top of some specific tools I'm using for this type of stuff.

Setting this up can be complicated, but the rewards are nice if you're fussy about quality.

xberk wrote on 2/26/2017, 11:54 PM

Nick -- I doubt if I'd go all the way in the AviSynth route you suggest .. but I disabled resample and that looks good to me. Thanks!

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Musicvid wrote on 2/27/2017, 12:21 AM

I wonder how it would be to render to 24 fps from both. Fairly common pullup/pulldown ratios, and the extreme 3:5 ratio from the 18 fps is avoided.

xberk wrote on 2/27/2017, 11:07 AM

Good suggestion Musicvid. I'm going to try that later today or tomorrow.

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Musicvid wrote on 2/27/2017, 6:05 PM

Let us be the first to see your tutorial if it works out!