Proxy generation

Vdanny wrote on 4/10/2021, 10:46 PM

Hi,

I am interested in upgrading to version 18 of Vegas Pro because update 1 claims to have "Smart proxy generation based on GPU capabilities". I have found the proxy generation in Vegas (version 15) to be quite slow and was wondering if this has made an noticeable improvement? Also, I am running a Nvidia GT 1030 and an iGPU Intel 4600. Will I be given a choice of which GPU will be utilized since the 1030 doesn't perform hardware encoding, but my renders with Intel QSV are quite a bit faster than software only? Thanks for your assistance.

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Musicvid wrote on 4/11/2021, 1:52 AM

If you plan to get VP18 for hardware proxies and encoding, set enough $ aside to get a 1660 Nvidia or better to go with it. Then your question will be answered.

Vdanny wrote on 4/11/2021, 2:28 AM

Hi @Musicvid,

So, Vegas will not perform Intel QSV encoding for proxies?

RogerS wrote on 4/11/2021, 2:49 AM

That change was undone in subsequent updates as it disadvantaged people with the weakest hardware who don't benefit from GPU decoding of AVC (h264). We're back to XDCAM which is the same as you had in VP 15.

Your iGPU isn't supported in VP 18. Does the 1030 have 4GB+ ram? If not, it's not supported either. I'd save up for a better system.

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Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Musicvid wrote on 4/11/2021, 9:01 AM

So, Vegas will not perform Intel QSV encoding for proxies?

Now, did the straw man say that?

You can create a proxy as anything. Render it and swap files; done. Or are you asking about automatic proxies? With so many versions of QSV, how would one know if it works for you?

You would need to download and test your question in the trial version of VP18, which is free.

What I did say is that older GPUs have barely anything inside that can be leveraged as "acceleration" in Vegas. Sometimes they are slower! What I did say is that Turing is a huge improvement.

VP18 would probably run just as slow as any other Vegas version with a 1030. Coffee's on.

wwaag wrote on 4/11/2021, 11:43 AM

If you want faster proxy creation for V15, take a look at this thread.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/quicker-proxy-creation--124298/

HOS KwikProxy supports proxy creation using QSV in addition to Nvenc and VCE. The reason that it is so much quicker than native Vegas proxy creation, is that the proxies are created externally "before" they are placed on the timeline.

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Vdanny wrote on 4/11/2021, 1:14 PM

Hi @wwaag,

Thank you very much for that link, it is exactly what I am looking for! It is a shame, as RogerS mentions, that we are back to XDCAM for auto proxy generation and QSV is left unutilized. I am not going to pay for the currently insane cost of a new video card when there are other options.

3POINT wrote on 4/11/2021, 1:53 PM

On a weak pc you need proxies to edit 4k media. On a weak pc you have normally also a weak graphics card which is not able to render 4k NVenc, also not proxies. From own experience, I was glad that Vegas returned back to XDCAM for proxy creation when I had a weak pc. Also generating XDCAM proxies was quit fast, good quality and smooth preview.

Now having a fast pc, no need for proxies anymore.

Marco. wrote on 4/11/2021, 2:01 PM

"From own experience, I was glad that Vegas returned back to XDCAM for proxy creation when I had a weak pc. Also generating XDCAM proxies was quit fast, good quality and smooth preview."

I fully second that.

Vdanny wrote on 4/11/2021, 7:59 PM

Hi @3POINT,

I didn't mean to suggest that XDCAM proxies are unnecessary or unwanted. I have been using them as well since it is my only option. My desire would be to have options for output, like Premiere, so I could generate proxies quicker for projects where I don't need to have the quality offered by XDCAM to complete my edits. Since QSV encoding is often available, even on weaker systems, it is unfortunate that this feature can't be harnessed currently. Thanks to everyone for your comments.

RogerS wrote on 4/11/2021, 9:37 PM

Hopefully Vegas will offer settings and options for proxies in the future.

As your iGPU Intel 4600 is not supported in VP 18, you won't be able to use QSV encoding (or decoding). XDCAM is your best option, so it's good for you that Vegas reverted to XDCAM. For those of us with slightly more modern systems, it might be nice to have an AVC or even a user-selectable option.

3POINT wrote on 4/11/2021, 11:40 PM

For those who benefits from other types of proxies, I recommend the use of Vegasaur or HOS in VegasPro.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/12/2021, 8:22 AM

From own experience, I was glad that Vegas returned back to XDCAM for proxy creation when I had a weak pc. Also generating XDCAM proxies was quit fast, good quality and smooth preview.

Now having a fast pc, no need for proxies anymore.

Agree also. Xdcam is quite fast encoding and decoding with just the cpu. Downside is that xdcam proxy files are marginally larger. Be nice if qsv was a built in user option but many older systems and none of the Ryzens have an igpu anyway. And its easy enough to get gpu proxy options with an addon. Best of all worlds is a setup that can dispense with proxies altogether.