Render always freezing

Komaryt wrote on 2/11/2020, 5:36 PM

I am so tired of that stupid Vegas 17... I do not know what is going on but for about 3 months I cannot render easily my movies because Vegas is always stuck at some point. I cannot make it render and go out to do something else because this stupid V17 can stuck at any point. Sometimes it is 5%, sometimes 27% but I am so angry when it stuck at 90-98% it is so annoying and I do not know how to resolve that problem.

After every freeze I can't close it normally, I need kill proces from task manager and after that it just giving me that error message:

Problem Description
   Application Name:    VEGAS Pro
   Application Version: Version 17.0 (Build 387)

Fault Process Details
   Process Path:        C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\vegas170.exe
   Process Version:     Version 17.0 (Build 387)
   Process Description: VEGAS Pro
   Process Image Date:  2019-12-06 (Fri Dec 06) 02:51:16

In project I am using just cross disolves and LUTs from Color Grading plug-in. Sometimes I speed up and slow down clips. It is so simple and this trash render is really annoy me. I really sick of that. So many years when they didn't fixed that - really - it's doing that from Vegas 14 and I am buying newer version like an idiot because I believe that they finally fix that but no. Today I am trying to render one movie - now it is 7th attempt to render that and it is always keep freezing at another moment of project. It doesn't matter if clips are from 6d mark II or C100 it just keep freezing when it wants.

Comments

fifonik wrote on 2/11/2020, 6:05 PM

Have you tried to follow FAQ?

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NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17

fr0sty wrote on 2/11/2020, 8:04 PM

NVENC?? Try updating your GPU driver to the latest studio driver from Nvidia.

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j-v wrote on 2/12/2020, 3:03 AM

Try to render that not even HD project to a not so silly high bitrate with max. 15.000.000 and average 12.000.000
 

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Komaryt wrote on 2/12/2020, 9:34 AM

Have you tried to follow FAQ?

Yes I tried everything. I don't get it why they add rendering with GPU help when in this FAQ they are saying to turn it off, really - it's not first Vegas which have that option and they can't fix that from Vegas 15. I am really so tired of this.
 

NVENC?? Try updating your GPU driver to the latest studio driver from Nvidia.

It is up to date.

 

Try to render that not even HD project to a not so silly high bitrate with max. 15.000.000 and average 12.000.000
 

This are short movies and I want to have best quality which I can get. Even I set up with 40.000.000 or 32.000.000 it freeze too so...

 

Musicvid wrote on 2/12/2020, 9:47 AM

You cannot increase the quality with hyperoptimal bitrates.

It is what It is, in this case maximum quality will occur at around 12-15 Mbps AVC.

50 Mbps is optimal for 4K 60p, for the stupid math reason that it is four times larger. But you are not doing that...

If you must use a placebo, see if it runs at 20Mbps. Post back if not.

Komaryt wrote on 2/12/2020, 10:17 AM

You cannot increase the quality with hyperoptimal bitrates.

It is what It is, in this case maximum quality will occur at around 12-15 Mbps AVC.

50 Mbps is optimal for 4K 60p, for the stupid math reason that it is four times larger. But you are not doing that...

If you must use a placebo, see if it runs at 20Mbps. Post back if not.

Of course I am doing that. As I said before I want my clients to get the best quality which I can give them so that's why I am rendering like this one. It is checked after many tries of rendering. With lower bitrate my movie is not as sharp as it needs to be.

I was rendering with 24.000.000 and less bitrates and it was freezing too, so this is not what it is failing.

Musicvid wrote on 2/12/2020, 10:25 AM

If you are interested in the "best delivery quality," as you have now said twice, you would not be using the hardware NVENC encoder, which is optimized for speed. Use the Sony AVC software encoder at 12-15 Mbps, and you may just solve all of your problems. And try not to blame the software for Nvidia's encoder.

Good luck!

fifonik wrote on 2/12/2020, 2:43 PM
I don't get it why they add rendering with GPU help when in this FAQ they are saying to turn it off, really

You'll need to do this to check if the GPU/driver are causing the issue.

FAQ mentioned that you should not only disable GPU render, but also completely disable GPU usage in VP17 preferences.

Have you already tried this?

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

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NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17

Komaryt wrote on 2/12/2020, 2:50 PM
I don't get it why they add rendering with GPU help when in this FAQ they are saying to turn it off, really

You'll need to do this to check if the GPU/driver are causing the issue.

FAQ mentioned that you should not only disable GPU render, but also completely disable GPU usage in VP17 preferences.

Have you already tried this?

Yes, but yesterday nothing works so I will check it when I finish next movie.

fr0sty wrote on 2/12/2020, 5:08 PM

NVENC, even at its best quality, isn't as good as CPU rendering, so as Musicvid says, if you want top quality, use the Sony AVC codec, set it to the bitrates suggested by Musicvid.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Radeon VII

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Komaryt wrote on 2/12/2020, 6:17 PM

NVENC, even at its best quality, isn't as good as CPU rendering, so as Musicvid says, if you want top quality, use the Sony AVC codec, set it to the bitrates suggested by Musicvid.

Tried that and quality is worse (less sharpness - bitrate 20.000.000). I will play with settings tomorrow and try higher bitrate.

fr0sty wrote on 2/12/2020, 7:52 PM

Check this thread out, there have been some tests done on these already to determine which has the best quality.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/quality-issues-with-mainconcept-magix-avc-encoder--110377/

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Radeon VII

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

lenard-p wrote on 2/12/2020, 9:54 PM

 

NVENC, even at its best quality, isn't as good as CPU rendering, so as Musicvid says, if you want top quality, use the Sony AVC codec, set it to the bitrates suggested by Musicvid.

Tried that and quality is worse (less sharpness - bitrate 20.000.000). I will play with settings tomorrow and try higher bitrate.

Nvenc is much better at making the perceived visual quality look better at a sane delivered bitrate. X264 or sony prioritizes sharpness, but if not enough BitRate can look worse. sony should not ACTUALLY be softer, just have more obvious artifacts compared to Nvenc.

fifonik wrote on 2/19/2020, 3:16 PM

@lenard-p Do you have any measurable mertics as a proof of your claim? My tests shows that x264 gives better quality on the same bitrate than Magix AVC (CPU/NVENC/QSV/VCE). However, my tests for NVENC/QSV were limited as I do not have the HW and asked others to render test project for me. Also, I'm aware that different NVidia GPU/drivers gives different quality.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B450M MORTAR TITANIUM, CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700X (not OC), RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4@3200 (not OC), Graphics card: MSI RX580 8GB (factory OC), SSD: Samsung 970 Evo+ NVMe 500MB (OS), HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 Pro 1909

NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17

Komaryt wrote on 2/21/2020, 4:11 PM

If you are interested in the "best delivery quality," as you have now said twice, you would not be using the hardware NVENC encoder, which is optimized for speed. Use the Sony AVC software encoder at 12-15 Mbps, and you may just solve all of your problems. And try not to blame the software for Nvidia's encoder.

Good luck!

Ok.
Tried your tip - it didn't worked. Sony AVC freeze too.

fr0sty wrote on 2/21/2020, 5:30 PM

Did you try updating to the latest version of Vegas 17? Build 421?

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Radeon VII

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Komaryt wrote on 2/21/2020, 5:38 PM

Did you try updating to the latest version of Vegas 17? Build 421?

Yes, I did that. And I think Vegas is working worse than before :/

lenard-p wrote on 2/21/2020, 7:30 PM

@lenard-p Do you have any measurable mertics as a proof of your claim? My tests shows that x264 gives better quality on the same bitrate than Magix AVC (CPU/NVENC/QSV/VCE). However, my tests for NVENC/QSV were limited as I do not have the HW and asked others to render test project for me. Also, I'm aware that different NVidia GPU/drivers gives different quality.

when I made 15-60s videos at various AR's between 480p - 720p with a maximum file size of 8MB. I found Nvenc gave more pleasing results to x264 at default values. I was also comparing Magix AVC Nvenc VBR in comparision to X264 CRF, as due to technical problem i could not use Nvenc CRF, so x264 had an advantage. At a given file size (8MB or less) the nvenc version looked better or the same. better usually where there was movement of an object but the background was static.

I do not need to make these annoying 8MB sized videos anymore, but I should try again with bit rate limiting on x264 CRF.