DJI Fantom 4 pro plus AVC 60 frames a second 1920x1080 MP4

Sony AVC 60 frames a second 1920x1080 MP4

This video shows real time what I am experiencing. The point is that all my transitions are soft and the footage moves all of the time. I sync the middle of the fade to the beat. There is no way in which this can be achieved with performance such as this. Do the developers understand the problem? It seems I am not alone.

Have you tried prerendering your transitions?

Most kind of you to suggest, however in a fast edit, one chooses a moment in time for a segment, and you move onto the next and then the next to build your story, then you go back and tweak what you have which requires finessing and changing the lengths of your clips as well as the length of the transition. Can you imagine the workflow to pre-render in edit? Truly I had to apply the fix of disabling so4compoundplug.dll so that I could actually see what was going on in the transition and live with the program crashing every 30 seconds (I shit you not) to finish my work. I undid the fix to show this forum how poor the performance is. It is impossible to edit the way the program comes to us. Why is performance fine in 14?

it is most definitely nothing but a beta version and we bought it...very disappointed

Great, so this confirms it. Wonderful. Oh well, I guess at least there is 14, or an opportunity to finally learn Resolve. Thing is I am used to this, and I like some of the features.

It is impossible to edit the way the program comes to us. Why is performance fine in 14?

Have you tried disabling your Nvidia GPU, & playback timeline again. Is there any difference?

My old I7 can playback video on timeline more smoothly than yours does with a GPU (with example not using complex GPU plugins) which isn't right

Its a tiny bit better. Not as good as 14 however. Will play around with it on next edit. Thanks.

I regularly edit Phantom 4 Pro footage such as yours using Vegas 15. My video board is a Radeon R9-280. H265 footage can slow things down, but generally H264 works fine on my box, a simple Dell I7. I set video preview to best/half for 1080p on my monitor. Virtually any problem I've had with Vegas since v.3 is driver related. Video/network/audio . . . make sure you're using the latest for your box. Beyond that I sometimes wonder what people have installed on their computer that gives them fits running Vegas. I stay away from third party codecs, etc whenever possible.

-- tom

 

This video shows real time what I am experiencing. The point is that all my transitions are soft and the footage moves all of the time. I sync the middle of the fade to the beat. There is no way in which this can be achieved with performance such as this. Do the developers understand the problem? It seems I am not alone.

Great job on capturing and posting a video. Your link doesn't work (I think it's the edit link since you're the video owner). This is what the link should be (well it's embedded below / can't post the txt link I guess)

I understand your frustration based on the video #Howtogetworkdone:

I don't use a preview window but V15 became impossible to use due to slowdown/GUI repainting issues after a short period of use. That was during my trial. I want to upgrade for the super fast GPU rendering but I'm hoping they figure out why the reworked GUI (which I think is ugly) has caused the program to have these issues. The 2 main upgrades since V14 were GPU speed (amazing in my tests) and the dark GUI. V14 GUI was better and never redrew the screen everytime I clicked on something. I'm pretty sure the next build (update) should be coming soon so fingers crossed they have a resolution for your situation.
 

Seems to me that unless there is a Vegas 15 feature you absolutely need, then best to stick with Vegas 14 for now. I am confident that in time they will bring Vegas 15 at least up to the standard of 14, but why suffer needlessly in the interim.

Previous discussion on VP15 performance is here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/general-performance-issues-with-vegas-pro-15-216--109355/

The last few major releases of Vegas Pro all took a few updates to settle down. VP15 is still on its first update and isn't there yet. I'm still using VP14 and hoping that the big issues get fixed in the next VP15 update.

Thanks all for the responses. VP14 it is for now.

I don't use a preview window but V15 became impossible to use due to slowdown/GUI repainting issues after a short period of use. That was during my trial. I want to upgrade for the super fast GPU rendering but I'm hoping they figure out why the reworked GUI (which I think is ugly) has caused the program to have these issues. The 2 main upgrades since V14 were GPU speed (amazing in my tests) and the dark GUI. V14 GUI was better and never redrew the screen everytime I clicked on something. I'm pretty sure the next build (update) should be coming soon so fingers crossed they have a resolution for your situation.

joseph-w,

We have not received any reports of issues with the GUI performance. Your problems, I believe, are unique as the work done with the GUI actually simplified and streamlined the painting of the interface in the application. If you could, it would be helpful for us if you elaborate as to exactly what you are seeing and how to reproduce the problems you are seeing with the GUI. Thanks.

I also noticed during a test with the trial of V15 that the FX window is re-drawing itself each time when applying an FX .  In my usual window lay-out ( since version 7 ) I have the FX window ( where one can adjust the parameters of the FX after having applied an FX  ) docked so that it does not pop-up anywhere it wants and everytime at a different spot ( never understood all that popping where it wants , love the after effects fixed lay-outs without surprises  ) .

This redrawing each time ( each time ! ) one applies an FX , causes delays and is disturbing . ( does not happen when it pops , of course , since it has to pop when not docked )

Did not continue with the trial and removed it ( still on sony's V13 and another NLE in meanwhile )

Will post a picture later , whenever this explanation does not explain what I mean , now a couple of days shooting outdoors.

Thanks for your feedback, we do greatly appreciate it. As developers on VEGAS (and the rest of our team), it does concern us when you're not having optimal experiences with the software...actually...really bothers us :( Believe me, the last thing we want to hear are users staying on a previous release when we've worked hard to add value with requested new features and many bug fixes, with the goal to maintain performance and stability in a new release. And just to be clear, we do go through a rigorous beta cycle with dedicated beta testers which allows us to find, catch, and fix real world "in the field" issues prior to release.

I can tell you that we are vigorously investigating and solving many of the recent so4compoundplug.dll issues that will be in a future update. The issue here is that the older compoundplug.dll, while supporting older files well, doesn't support many newer .mp4s. The flip side is that the newer tech supports newer .mp4s but we're finding has some issues with the plethora of formats out there, we're working hard with dedicated team members to root these issues out asap.

To dez123-vaghy:

When you contacted customer service about performance issues, after having turned off so4compoundplug.dll, did they request your crash dump that you're experiencing every 30 seconds? This isn't cool and unacceptable, we'd like to look at your crash dump. Please contact customer service to get this to us. You could try turning off GPU acceleration in the Preferences->Video tab or make sure you're using the latest GPU drivers.

To wilvan:

I can't repro this issue, can you please give detailed info here or contact customer service with the specific FX (OFX video FX I assume) and your window layout.

With the holiday upon us, I can't say we'll be able to get back to you immediately, but will try to address these issues as soon as possible.

Hi I will help out in any way that I can. I do have in a text file the last series of logs after crashes. Should i post this here or should I send them anywhere in particular? I have an open ticket outlining my experience, a short video showing the performance issue and I even sent some dumps at one point. I have not had response for quite some time and that is why I finally joined the forum. If I can bear my way through another edit with all the crashes, I can send you all the text info of the dump information.

@Dee

Or I can just respond to the last ticket with this dump info.... I will do that now.

I have never jumped fully to 15. I have 14 on one system on one monitor, and 15 on another system on another monitor, and just dabble in 15 as the bugs seem to get worked out. I usually render out a version in 720 P and assess everything that way. I used Vegas for years but can't say I've ever been impressed with the playback in the preview window. I was just curious if all is good in 14, and in 15, does it matter what your preview playback settings are, or is it messed up no matter if in Draft, Preview, Good, Best, etc.. And does it matter at all if the window is docked within the program or the window is split off on another monitor. I've had issues with playback when the playback window is on a separate monitor.

Just curious.

Is this a general question or a suggestion for the OP?

I find that even though my system plays back 4k media fine, I always edit 4k projects with "Preview Auto" as this gives good playback rates through transitions and lower thirds, etc. so I can judge the pacing of edits. Using ram previews on short sections helps too. I will switch to an external monitor to get a closer look when doing colour grading and sharpening, etc. but don't need fast playback for that.

Astar. Thanks for your input. A bunch of good ideas. I have been editing steady now with this setup the way I described above and Vegas 14 for the past few days. Not a problem. I don't have the time to troubleshoot 15. I have the 3rd Party LUT plugin for 14 which is probably the most important upgrade for me at the moment. Can you tell me for the record which video card is the right one for compatibility with Vegas? I would have invested in the right card off the start had I known better I suppose. Not worth the hassle of cutting corners. I don't have an opinion on cards only figured that a 6 gig card would have improved my experience which it has. I wish I could go full screen for the monitor window because frankly that was my objective. I like to see what I am editing.