Vegas 15 Needs to deal a blow to the 4k Video editing battle.

james-ferguson wrote on 4/14/2017, 11:57 AM

Really enjoying Vegas 14. Thanks Magix.

(Sorry for the length)

So. I've been editing school plays with up to 5 4k @ 100mb/s mp4 for my source video (Camera: Sony AX100's) for about a year now. This allows me to generate beautiful 1080p Blu-rays for the families.

Currently Vegas Pro cannot handle the multi camera 4k with out skipping and jerking around and freezing for a second while it catches up. Forget about scrubbing with a ShuttleXpress.

So you have to use proxies.(Convert the 4k Videos to 1080p to do your editing). and play the game of restarting vegas Hiding the files you don't want it to use so you can select the files you do want it to use. (not completely horrible until you render for 5 hours with the wrong source files!!!)

Option 1 Draft Editing:
At a minimum, Vegas 15 needs an option to create proxies automatically for all 4k video clips and use those if the system cannot handle the original 4k files. This should be an automatic suggestion that pops up when scrubbing and mutl-camera editing.
- Vegas would batch create the proxy files and use them for a Draft Editing Mode. Which means once you get your time line built, you hit a Proxy command and go to bed while Vegas automatically creates the proxy files in a sub directory off the actual video content location (like plural eyes).
- when you go to render, there would be an option to use the Proxies or Original Pure video Files.

Option 2 Support 4k Flawlessly:

At best Vegas 15 needs to support current GPU's and use them for any thing they possibly do to stream line the editing and rendering process so we can crank out. 4k should be a smooth target.

System:

Drive: 1TB Samsung PM961 PCI-Express 3.0 M.2
MB: Asus x99
Ram: 16gb
CPU: intel core i7-5960X
Video: SAPPHIRE DUAL-X Radeon R9 280 3GB 384-Bit GDDR5 (1792 Stream Processors)

Comments

JackW wrote on 4/14/2017, 12:14 PM

I'm not shooting in 4K and I edit in Vegas 13. With 1080 files in Vegas 13 all you have to do to batch create proxie files is highlight files in the project media bin, right click and select "Create proxie files." Go to bed and start editing in "Preview/Auto" mode in the morning, which uses the proxie files.

xberk wrote on 4/14/2017, 12:26 PM

VP14 will also create proxie files the same way as Jack describes. Problem I had with it is that the Proxie files are so large. But recently I starting using 5tb drives. Less of a problem now.

TheHappyFriar wrote on 4/14/2017, 1:50 PM

Right click on the proxies in the project files & replace that way.

3d87c4 wrote on 4/14/2017, 3:01 PM

FWIW: I've been using Handbrake to create proxies. Much smaller than the ones Vegas generates.

RealityStudio wrote on 4/14/2017, 3:56 PM

They need to just get with modern times and support current gpu's. I won't use proxies, aside from making my video archiving more of a pain it also means adding more time, more steps and more possible errors to run my regular video business. Just join us in 2017, that's all I ask of Vegas. The only reason I haven't jumped ship is because I make heavy use of scripting that only Vegas seems to provide.

james-ferguson wrote on 4/15/2017, 7:34 AM

@TheHappyFriar , @JackW Great Reply I'll try the proxy feature next time.

I couldn't agree more @RealityStudio. Specifically that 4k is the future and Vegas could and should embrace it.

@3d87c4 I tried using wonder share and it went sideways on me and wasted a lot of my time. I'll give handbrake a try.

@xberk The video contains a 1h 45m project. I didn't point out the file sizes, but my 4k 100mb/s videos total 294gb which contains 8 files each hovering around 34-42GB in size. My 1080 Folder is about 18gb roughly 7% of the 4k folder, with each file hovering around 1.8-3gb per file.

@MAGIX_INT 4k is growning on youtube, casey neistat is shooting in it. Please try to get on the wave of making it seemless and quick to edit and produce 4k content. Otherwise you'll fall behind like cyberlink.

Thank you to everyone.

Musicvid wrote on 4/15/2017, 8:01 AM

When we finally got to use MPEG-2 software encoding around the turn of the century, everyone complained that Vegas couldn't keep up. Then hardware caught up to the technology, and people quit complaining. Until h264 came along that is, and people started complaining that Vegas couldn't keep up.........

And so the story goes.

Proxy editing and dedicated intermediates (Cineform et al) have been around since the early days of Vegas, and they are easy enough to use. We shouldn't need soccer-mom features to tell us when to use them.

liork wrote on 4/15/2017, 8:15 AM

@james-ferguson I agree 100% with you feedback. But, Vegas 14 should be 4K ready, don't think we have to wait VP15 for that. 4K is standard with NLE today, not tomorrow.

Peter_P wrote on 4/15/2017, 8:24 AM

With 1080 files in Vegas 13 all you have to do to batch create proxie files is highlight files in the project media bin, right click and select "Create proxie files." Go to bed and start editing in "Preview/Auto" mode in the morning, which uses the proxie files.

I don't like these by Vegas automatically generated proxies because they are only 720p and quite large and you must switch to a low preview quality.

I think the flexibility in selecting the proxy file format and automatic generation with the also automated switching between proxies and originals is the much better way to edit UHD footage.

Have a look at Vegasaur : http://vegasaur.com/proxy-media-builder