Which processor should I be upgrading to?

matthew-c wrote on 9/13/2019, 8:17 PM

I have been dealing with a laggy preview for way too long now. I have tried all I can to fix the problem and nothing is working. The quality that I am editing at is obviously too high for my pc to handle (I only started seeing this preview lag once I increased the quality of my recordings.)

I am upgrading from an intel core i5 7400. I am willing to go to an 8th gen i7, ryzen 7, or anything around that calibre. I would prefer not to spend more than 500.

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Musicvid wrote on 9/13/2019, 9:43 PM

Best dangling preposition this week.

A top-shelf processor doesn't guarantee smooth timeline performance. I'm doing just great on 4k p60 with an i5 8250, about the equivalent of i7 4th gen.

 

fr0sty wrote on 9/13/2019, 10:32 PM

GPUs seem to be a bit more important for timeline playback speeds, CPUs show their might on certain effects that are not GPU accelerated and certain rendering codecs. In Vegas 17, GPU decoding (on Nvidia GPUs only currently, though hopefully that changes soon) will dramatically improve your playback performance when editing certain formats, so I would be researching a better GPU first, unless your CPU is WAY below recommended minimum specs for Vegas.

TheRhino wrote on 9/15/2019, 10:31 AM

The 4-core i5-7400 has slower performance than my 9 year-old 6-core 980X in Vegas, Cinescore benchmarks, etc. & therefore it will struggle with 4K multi-cam just like my 980X did... IMO upgrading just the GPU will not be enough for 4K work since many Vegas processes are still CPU intensive.

For 4K multi-cam I am happy with my $500 9900K @ 4.9ghz & $350 liquid-cooled VEGA64 setup which, IMO, is one of the best bang/bucks available. However, the 9900K does not work well with older motherboards, so you would likely have to add-in the cost of a new motherboard... AMD is supposed to release the faster 16-core Zen2 3950X soon, but the CPU is $750+ & also requires a new motherboard, faster overclockable DDR4, etc.

To keep the entire upgrade under $500 you could go with a $250 AMD 2700X, $125 motherboard & $125 AMD RX130 GPU. IMO this is the bare-minimum for 4K work. Since the 3950X will be arriving soon, you might be able to find a used 2700X, motherboard, etc. & get more for your money...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

matthew-c wrote on 9/15/2019, 1:25 PM

The 4-core i5-7400 has slower performance than my 9 year-old 6-core 980X in Vegas, Cinescore benchmarks, etc. & therefore it will struggle with 4K multi-cam just like my 980X did... IMO upgrading just the GPU will not be enough for 4K work since many Vegas processes are still CPU intensive.

For 4K multi-cam I am happy with my $500 9900K @ 4.9ghz & $350 liquid-cooled VEGA64 setup which, IMO, is one of the best bang/bucks available. However, the 9900K does not work well with older motherboards, so you would likely have to add-in the cost of a new motherboard... AMD is supposed to release the faster 16-core Zen2 3950X soon, but the CPU is $750+ & also requires a new motherboard, faster overclockable DDR4, etc.

To keep the entire upgrade under $500 you could go with a $250 AMD 2700X, $125 motherboard & $125 AMD RX130 GPU. IMO this is the bare-minimum for 4K work. Since the 3950X will be arriving soon, you might be able to find a used 2700X, motherboard, etc. & get more for your money...

I am only editing 1080p 60fps gameplay, I have messed around with tons of settings and have seen some success, but the lagging starts when I import my commentary in a separate track. I've been given some very helpful tips from everyone on the forum such as changing the audio driver, etc. So I may not have to upgrade if vegas and my pc continue to cooperate. Thanks again all!

Former user wrote on 9/15/2019, 8:28 PM

 

For 4K multi-cam I am happy with my $500 9900K @ 4.9ghz & $350 liquid-cooled VEGA64 setup which, IMO, is one of the best bang/bucks available. However, the 9900K does not work well with older motherboards, so you would likely have to add-in the cost of a new motherboard...

True for the 170W config, doesn't work well with majority of older motherboards or (any?) cheaper newer motherboards. 95w config you can buy a cheap motherboard, but limiting tdp to 95w doesn't make any sense for rendering

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/16/2019, 11:35 AM

@matthew-c ... If your audio is still lagging even after upgrading your video board and switching away from windows audio mapping, you might want to be thinking of upgrading your audio hardware. I sometimes use the realtek mic input from my mobo for down and dirty narration with a telephone headset but there's much higher quality and lower latency to be had using outboard usb audio. The old standbys for my workstations are mytek and rme but I recently picked up a relatively inexpensive focusrite clarett 4pre usb for a laptop and it's quite impressive. You might consider their lower echelon 4-xlr scarlett for pre mixing/panning capability ($400us), if within your budget. Even their bottom of the line stereo ($160us) and mono ($90us) models have the same ultra low latency that would likely do away with your audio lagging.

matthew-c wrote on 9/16/2019, 1:37 PM

@matthew-c ... If your audio is still lagging even after upgrading your video board and switching away from windows audio mapping, you might want to be thinking of upgrading your audio hardware. I sometimes use the realtek mic input from my mobo for down and dirty narration with a telephone headset but there's much higher quality and lower latency to be had using outboard usb audio. The old standbys for my workstations are mytek and rme but I recently picked up a relatively inexpensive focusrite clarett 4pre usb for a laptop and it's quite impressive. You might consider their lower echelon 4-xlr scarlett for pre mixing/panning capability ($400us), if within your budget. Even their bottom of the line stereo ($160us) and mono ($90us) models have the same ultra low latency that would likely do away with your audio lagging.

Thank you for the suggestion, I am not familiar with the details and specifics of audio harware. I can only tell you that I am using a USB microphone (HyperX quadcast) to record my voice with no mixer or extra harware. Would the hardware your suggesting be something that is like a mixer for my mic? Or an internal change, sorry I am not very tech-savvy.

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/16/2019, 5:47 PM

@matthew-c I've never used one of those myself but it looks like a pretty full featured solution for streaming or recording narration. But if I understand your problem, it isn't in the recording or streaming, but in the audio lagging during playback, monitoring, and editing. If whatever you're using for capture is not having any audio/video sync issues, you only need to fix the output side of the equation... an audio interface like Focusrite with ultra-low latency asio drivers should help. They do also implement a decent software mixer in their driver but you probably wouldn't need that if you're just using one mic and it has it's own built-in usb interface.