Why does it all take so long?

MartinE wrote on 3/28/2017, 7:43 AM

 

Did a 2 minutes piece (90th birthday party) but editing
still took me >4hrs. Here is the process.

Shot about 20 clips max, here’s a rough list:

Action:

Preparing cake, lighting candles, bringing it in, singing,
blowing out etc etc (all one big shot with CUs of old lady and pans to guests clapping etc, sync sound on cam)

Old lady thanking everyone and guest banter etc (one shot,sync sound on cam)

Popping bubbly, filling glasses and handing out (2-3 shots mainly CUs)

CUs: Guests talking, eating, drinking. Cards, cut cake, glasses, presents, balloon etc

Method

Upload and review

Trim clips in trimmer (I&O) and dump to T/L (A) in some sort of order

Find some music that fits mood and pace and add to T/L

Start to arrange clips in meaningful sequence (scene setting, action, closing  etc) lots of shuffling, deleting)

Fine trim the cuts to look “smooth”

Start on sound: Look for good chatty voice bits and mix together for a general hubbub base for the non sync sections.

Pick out laughter and add in a couple of places.

Find cork pop and insert in right place.

Decide where to fade in/out music and mix all sound (simple volume envelopes then boost and limit o/p)

Colour correct all clips for exposure and balance using colour curves

Do a quick render and review, move a few things about, sort out a few glitches.

Look at clock: 4 hours! What, for 2 mins of finished video. I was going my fastest too

Is there any way to speed up this process?

The only areas I can think that give room for improvement are avoid cc if poss. Don’t be so fussy about sound (but sound is so important to me)

Am I alone here or is it just a matter of practise?

Comments

JJKizak wrote on 3/28/2017, 7:56 AM

What you did in 4 hours would take me 2 weeks.

JJK

MartinE wrote on 3/28/2017, 8:02 AM

You are very kind!

ritsmer wrote on 3/28/2017, 8:21 AM

When all shots are recorded I generally use from 1 day to 1 week per minute in the finished film.

Finding the right music easily takes several days too. For the last film I had to listen to some 200++ recordings of Beethoven 7 2. movement (the allegretto) in order to find precisely the mood I wanted for the film - and then I even had to slow down the chosen recording a little to make it (nearly) perfect...

NickHope wrote on 3/28/2017, 10:19 AM

I'm a 1-week-per-minute kind of guy too, if things are going well.

Marco. wrote on 3/28/2017, 10:28 AM

For news cutting of a 1 minute clip it has to be fast: 30 to 60 minutes including the voice-over, but the higher the quality the longer it'll take: up to 1 week/min. So if you talk about 2 hours/min it seems to be pretty fast.

set wrote on 3/28/2017, 10:53 AM

Sometimes I depend on the mood of that time... If I get the idea, I would probably get quick! - But, if not, sometimes had to think quite a lot... - and sometimes it is a bit trial and error...

 

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john_dennis wrote on 3/28/2017, 2:22 PM

I try to rough cut family videos and make them available in a day or two. I've spent 5 very full days on a 5 minute corporate presentation where someone else was selecting the input video, photos and music... and giving me lots of work direction.

I think you did pretty well. Was it your 90th birthday? I don't think you stated.

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dxdy wrote on 3/28/2017, 3:52 PM

I just did a 3 minute video for my sister's retirement party. About 30 stills and 10 video clips. Once they were all on the timeline, for pan and crop and a little color correction and music, probably 2-1/2 days. And Vegas is the fastest workflow for this kind of thing, bar none.

MartinE wrote on 3/28/2017, 5:42 PM

Guys many thanks for the replies. This is really helpful for an amateur like me. I feel very much encouraged. Some of my stuff has taken months but I would really like to get skilled in turning round quick short less polished pieces ENG style and as you say VP is the tool for this. The piece is about 5 mins now with the photo montage and editing time about 6 hrs. I'll post the link tomorrow after Handbrake has finished with it.

John, it was my mother in law,s birthday, but I forgive you!

MartinE wrote on 3/28/2017, 5:49 PM

Bye the way Ritsmer much as I like Beethoven 7 2nd mvt, 200 + times is pushing it. That was used to great effect I thought in "the Kings speech" always risky using such a well known piece but I thought they pulled it off.

 

ritsmer wrote on 3/30/2017, 1:58 AM

Right: that second movement has been used in at least 33 movies.

Pushing it ? Well I must admit that this was an idea for a special film - just a hobby project btw. - and after having finished the film once (using a recording from RFCM Royalty Free Classical Music Library) I felt that the project could come so much further.

It just required many, many more film recordings - and THE music. So I started searching and listening again.

To make a long story short - I ended up with a Sacris Solemnis choir version by Luminosa - and yes: I have heard all available versions from their live concerts too. That way one easily passes 200 times.

I always envy Stanley Kubrick who can afford his own composer to arrange and shape the mood of the music precisely to his ideas - but not being in a Kubrick position I had to search and search and then even adjust the music by some time stretching, some level adjustments - and by cutting/pasting it at several points... i.e. the piece has 3 short repetitions at the end - and I wanted/needed 5 ... :- )

MartinE wrote on 3/30/2017, 1:37 PM

OK I finished it in 6 hrs. Sure it could be polished but it's the best I could do in the time. It's here:

Nothing grand, just a quiet homely scene, as always trying to use video and particularly sound to capture the atmosphere.

Ritsmer, didn't know about RFCM so will have a look.

"time stretching, some level adjustments - and by cutting/pasting it at several points" yep, do that all the time to get music to fit video or even video to fit music. Happy editing.

john_dennis wrote on 3/30/2017, 3:07 PM

You've created a family treasure.

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walter-i. wrote on 3/31/2017, 5:57 AM

You've created a family treasure.

+1 ! Walter

set wrote on 3/31/2017, 9:07 AM

Nice... just keep learning while doing it...

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wayne-severson wrote on 3/31/2017, 9:59 AM

Very special indeed. :)

 

MartinE wrote on 3/31/2017, 10:42 AM

Thanks for the nice comments and all the advice. Learnt so much on this forum.

set wrote on 4/1/2017, 2:55 AM

btw, not to forget Happy 90th Birthday to Jean :) - Wish her a healthy & long life.

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MartinE wrote on 4/1/2017, 4:23 AM

Thank you

IAM4UK wrote on 4/1/2017, 9:02 AM

Great work, OP.
And you "1 week per minute" guys are making me feel pretty good about my 48 Hour Film Projects, in which we must write, shoot, edit and produce a 4-7 minute little movie in just 2 days.
https://vimeo.com/realprod48/mariah2017#t=15s
https://vimeo.com/realprod48/rubicon#t=12s

ushere wrote on 4/2/2017, 4:47 AM

i sort of avoided commenting on this thread (good video martinE) since it seemed rather pointless, but then again, i think 'how long' really does need some clarification:

when editing is a 'hobby' (and no disparagement implied by the term), then time is relatively unimportant, or self-imposed. either way it is entirely in the creators hands. however, i have a client who produces quite sophisticated corporates (8>10min) that usually require a couple of days shooting but nevermore than a day or two editing due to budgetary constraints, whilst at the same time he's been working quite seriously on his daughter's wedding video for about 18 months!

but at the end of the day, if i'm getting paid i am as fast as i can be, and if not i don't even think about how long it takes as long as it turns out to be what i want.

as my wife replied to a question on national tv as to how long it takes to complete one of her paintings, she simply replied 'as long as it takes' ;-)

MartinE wrote on 4/2/2017, 5:33 PM

Funny that, I've just finished my daughter,s wedding after 7 months!

set wrote on 4/2/2017, 7:14 PM

A friend of mine, who is a wedding photographer, focusing his client's wedding... and once I met him, he told me he haven't edit his own wedding photographs ;)

 

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Musicvid wrote on 4/4/2017, 9:54 AM

Martin,

Your instinctive camera style and framing, well... It works.

Cuts are a little quick in the beginning. Without checking, it looks like you may have been shooting 24p - - I don't suggest it for handheld work, because it can exaggerate small camera movements and shakes. Shooting 30p will smooth it perceptually.

If you truly did this in six hours, you have earned my respect. Polish that raw talent with daily practice, and it's a win-win....