Bad render quality

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 8:28 AM

Hello, i'm in the process of switching programs and am trying Vegas Movie Studio.

I am used to Coral Video Studio and aside from te frequent crashes i was rather satisfied. But the crashes are getting on my nerves so therefore i want to switch.

BUT, after trying Movie studio Platinum 15 and experimenting with the rendertool, i was verry disappointed.

I always shoot with Sony's XAVC S 1080p 50, so i set my project setting accordingly, after witch i used the exact same setting for rendering the video. This was a testvideo of about 10 seconds and i was shocked by the poor quality the program produced even without making any ajustments to the videoclip! And yes i used the 'best' setting for rendering so.

I was also baffled by the fact i could not ajust the bitrate of the video. I used 24bit in Corel but can't find any way of ajusting this in VMS.

So now i'm left with a clip of witch it looks that i lost about half of the detail and it looks a bit floaty ( i film while running ) as if a poor quality stabilization was put over it.

Can anyone telle me if, and if so, what i'm doing wrong?

This WILL definatly affect my choice in buying (or NOT buying ) the software, so please be honest!

Greatings from Holland,

Roelof Dekker

YouTube: Craving Trails

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Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:14 AM

XAVC-S is standardized by Sony and its official operation point for 1920x1080p50 video defines a maximum bitrate of 80 Mbit/s (while the avarage bit rate may differ due to the Long GOP ABR encoding). Audio is defined as 16 bit/48 kHz. Movie Studio supports this XAVC-S operation point.

If you render to XAVC-S and your render settings match the source video settings it is strange there is a visual loss. Could you share a sample project? Maybe there's some settings off.

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:18 AM

Well, i guest i could, but how to go about doing that. Do you need an original video clip with a copy af the project i made? Please specify.

Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:22 AM

For a first look the source media is not needed. Just the plain *.vf file from which you did the rendering.

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:29 AM

In this forum it is'nt possible to upload a .vf file, how can i get it to you?

Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:33 AM

You would need to upload to a web hoster like Dropbox or Google Drive (it's on our wishlist VF and VEG files would be supported by the internal forum upload).

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:41 AM

 i made screenshots of the settings, it just might be enough?

This forum does not allow .vf to upload to it.

Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 9:50 AM

I didn't mean the project settings but several settings around the project. There are so many places to look for thus screenshots are not capable of serving the infos. The most helpful file it the *.vf project file and if that one doesn't serve it would need a closer look into one of the source media files, additionally (but the source media files also could not be uploaded inside the forum but would need a web hosting instead).

Also, maybe two comparison screenshots could help classifying the render issue, one screenshot of a frame of the source video and one screenshot of the same frame of the rendered video.

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 10:01 AM

i'll see if i can upload it to wetransfer, do you have an Emailadres i can refer to?

Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 10:08 AM

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 10:34 AM

The media is on the way, you should get an email soon.

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 1:18 PM

Well, i sent the email but somehow wetransfer refuses to transfer it. i will send jou a regular email....

 

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/1/2018, 3:22 PM

The server refuses it, is the adres spellend correctly?

Marco. wrote on 4/1/2018, 3:35 PM

Yes. Maybe the file is too big for e-mail services. Did you try sending the small .vf file only?

 

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/2/2018, 1:40 AM

Nope, sorry, it says; 'adres not found, cannot deliver'

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/2/2018, 1:41 AM

Checked the adres three times;

but is does not work, the files are no more 1mb together

NickHope wrote on 4/2/2018, 1:43 AM

Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, mega.nz, wetransfer.com, mediafire.com. Any of those would do.

cris wrote on 4/2/2018, 5:29 AM

Hello, i'm in the process of switching programs and am trying Vegas Movie Studio.

I am used to Coral Video Studio and aside from te frequent crashes i was rather satisfied. But the crashes are getting on my nerves so therefore i want to switch.

BUT, after trying Movie studio Platinum 15 and experimenting with the rendertool, i was verry disappointed.

I always shoot with Sony's XAVC S 1080p 50, so i set my project setting accordingly, after witch i used the exact same setting for rendering the video. This was a testvideo of about 10 seconds and i was shocked by the poor quality the program produced even without making any ajustments to the videoclip! And yes i used the 'best' setting for rendering so.

I was also baffled by the fact i could not ajust the bitrate of the video. I used 24bit in Corel but can't find any way of ajusting this in VMS.

So now i'm left with a clip of witch it looks that i lost about half of the detail and it looks a bit floaty ( i film while running ) as if a poor quality stabilization was put over it.

Can anyone telle me if, and if so, what i'm doing wrong?

This WILL definatly affect my choice in buying (or NOT buying ) the software, so please be honest!

Greatings from Holland,

Roelof Dekker

YouTube: Craving Trails

 

Hei Roelof,

if you're using the "make movie" button, that will bring you to the simplified, beginner's interface with very little control on the result. You have to go to "advanced" and then select one of the many encoders, most of which allow you to set encoding parameters, including of course bit rate (up to the min/max supported by the encoder).

On a side note: it's very easy, coming from another NLE, to be frustrated because things aren't where you expect them to be. But it's a normal acquaintance process - NLEs are complex beasts and as there's no one "Intuitive" way to do things, when switching it takes a little while to get the hang on where things are.

 

vkmast wrote on 4/2/2018, 5:49 AM

In "Make Movie", go to "advanced" from "the simplified, beginner's interface" > "Save it to my hard drive" > "Advanced options". There you have exactly the same options as when going through Project > Render As.

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/2/2018, 11:53 AM

Hello, i'm in the process of switching programs and am trying Vegas Movie Studio.

I am used to Coral Video Studio and aside from te frequent crashes i was rather satisfied. But the crashes are getting on my nerves so therefore i want to switch.

BUT, after trying Movie studio Platinum 15 and experimenting with the rendertool, i was verry disappointed.

I always shoot with Sony's XAVC S 1080p 50, so i set my project setting accordingly, after witch i used the exact same setting for rendering the video. This was a testvideo of about 10 seconds and i was shocked by the poor quality the program produced even without making any ajustments to the videoclip! And yes i used the 'best' setting for rendering so.

I was also baffled by the fact i could not ajust the bitrate of the video. I used 24bit in Corel but can't find any way of ajusting this in VMS.

So now i'm left with a clip of witch it looks that i lost about half of the detail and it looks a bit floaty ( i film while running ) as if a poor quality stabilization was put over it.

Can anyone telle me if, and if so, what i'm doing wrong?

This WILL definatly affect my choice in buying (or NOT buying ) the software, so please be honest!

Greatings from Holland,

Roelof Dekker

YouTube: Craving Trails

 

Hei Roelof,

if you're using the "make movie" button, that will bring you to the simplified, beginner's interface with very little control on the result. You have to go to "advanced" and then select one of the many encoders, most of which allow you to set encoding parameters, including of course bit rate (up to the min/max supported by the encoder).

On a side note: it's very easy, coming from another NLE, to be frustrated because things aren't where you expect them to be. But it's a normal acquaintance process - NLEs are complex beasts and as there's no one "Intuitive" way to do things, when switching it takes a little while to get the hang on where things are.

 

Thanx, i got that part down allready. But when i set the project to my source material and render output to match the project material, it should just work, shouldn't it?. I shoot in XAVC S and set te render output to match just that, even the framesize and framerate is the same, and nomatter what i do or try, the outcome is the same...a crappy video with a high bitrate! I was hoping it would be because of the trial version but that seems unlikely.

Any sugestions?

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/2/2018, 11:56 AM

Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, mega.nz, wetransfer.com, mediafire.com. Any of those would do.

Thanx, i know, but if the reciever gives me a wrong email adress....

Craving_Trails wrote on 4/2/2018, 12:00 PM

In "Make Movie", go to "advanced" from "the simplified, beginner's interface" > "Save it to my hard drive" > "Advanced options". There you have exactly the same options as when going through Project > Render As.

Thanx, did all that in the first place but somehow the program doesn't agree with me.

Also answerd to another helper, but maybe you have the answer?

In what format do i render XAVC-S 1080p/50 ? I would say the same or otherwise 1080P/25.

Did that but the result looks like 420p

Any ideas?

Marco. wrote on 4/2/2018, 12:28 PM

The e-mail adress isn't wrong. I received and sent dozens of mails on the same adress since yesterday. But exchange via e-mail isn't a good choice anyway.

If you use a web hosting service you should not need to use e-mailing but could post the download link here in the forum so that others could participate, too. We all use such services to share projects and media in this forum.

cris wrote on 4/3/2018, 6:08 AM

It sounds odd. The only thing that comes to mind is too low bitrate but you say you have customized it.

As Marco says, any further enquiry would really need your project file and screenshots of your render settings.

EricLNZ wrote on 4/3/2018, 6:21 AM

You mentioned you used 24 bit in Corel when talking about bitrates which makes me wonder if you are confused about bitrates. What is the bitrate of your source material? I expect it will be something like 40,000 Mbps. The Vegas MS render template for XAVC S doesn't provide adjustment of the bitrate but my experience is that it renders high. A quick test gave me an average bitrate with 1080 50p of nearly 60,000 Mbps.

Also you mentioned you are stabilising walking shots. That adds another dimension to the problem. Considerable cropping may be occurring and perhaps the Vegas Stabiliser isn't as effective as the one used in Corel?

Anyway we need the requested info to get to the bottom of your problem.