Best render setting for my situation

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/10/2018, 10:43 AM

I record my videos in 1920 x 1080 60p just because I like the best quality I can get for capture. I know there is higher quality but for what I do the one I use is just fine. Anyway, I was wondering what the best setting would be for my situation that I am going to explain.

So I record in the 1920 x 1080 60p but I want to render in 720 60p for a reason. I play these videos on a TV channel that is run by our server. Sure, I would like to render it out at 1080 60p but I have found that it is much easier on my playback computer if I use the 720 60p format.

With the new VP 15, what render format would you use? Sony? Magix?

I hope this explains what I want without too much confusion.

Thanks.

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john_dennis wrote on 2/10/2018, 11:04 AM

I’d use a customized Sony render template and move on.

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Cornico wrote on 2/10/2018, 11:06 AM

If you want 720 60p AVC (H.264) your only possibility for 60p is this one I think.

Customize a default Magix AVC 720p template to this one

Another possibility is using the older Mainconcept AVC encoder, but therefor you must allow it in Options/Preferences /Internal to show up, because by default it is not available in VPro 15. When you enable it you have to customize the MainConcept AVC 720p into this one

Musicvid wrote on 2/10/2018, 11:39 AM

720 p60 strikes me as a fairly uncommon delivery format. Take care that it's getting to the consumer's door intact.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/10/2018, 12:47 PM

720 p60 strikes me as a fairly uncommon delivery format. Take care that it's getting to the consumer's door intact.


What would you use?

OldSmoke wrote on 2/10/2018, 1:33 PM

720 p60 strikes me as a fairly uncommon delivery format. Take care that it's getting to the consumer's door intact.

I would rather say it is fairly common. Of course it’s 720 59.94p and not 60p but it is rather common. Many HD TV channels deliver in that format and it was for a long time Apple’s preferred Apple TV format.

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ingeborgdot wrote on 2/10/2018, 3:27 PM

Right, 720 59.94p but most just state as 60p as you know. I still don't understand what musicvid is trying to say.

Musicvid wrote on 2/11/2018, 4:15 AM

HDTV delivery in this part of the US is 1080 i60 and 720 p30. I've not seen 720 p60 broadcast delivery here

Original HDV and BluRay spec does not include 720 p60. It's why Cornico needed to create a custom template to illustrate.

720 p30 is still the most deliverable hd streaming format over the internet. 720 p60 is less universally deliverable for exactly the objections OP made to delivering 1080 p60. Bandwidth. Playability.

Now you know what musicvid is trying to say. Pardon the interruption; carry on...

OldSmoke wrote on 2/11/2018, 8:22 AM

720 59.94p is part of the BluRay spec, has always been since DVDA included BD authoring. 720 59.94p is also used to broadcast sport events.

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ingeborgdot wrote on 2/11/2018, 11:00 AM

I use 720 60p for my sports to keep the jagged edges out that I get with the 60i crap. I have never had very good luck with 1080 60i.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/11/2018, 12:29 PM

I use 720 60p for my sports to keep the jagged edges out that I get with the 60i crap. I have never had very good luck with 1080 60i.

Depends on where and how you play it and not on the template or Vegas.

It doesn’t matttet where you play it. The temporal damage is already done and it becomes very evident they faster the motion is. Ice skating is a fast paced sport, fast motion, fast panning and fast zooming is required and interlaced just looks plain bad no matter how you adjust your TV or player to compensate for it. I used to record in 720p but now I can record in Full HD 1080p 59.94 and it looks excellent even in 720p 59.94 on a BD and it can be easily converted to 480i for DVD; progressive just scales better.

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EricLNZ wrote on 2/11/2018, 4:48 PM

I use 720 60p for my sports to keep the jagged edges out that I get with the 60i crap. I have never had very good luck with 1080 60i.

Jagged edges? Perhaps you weren't deinterlacing with interpolate fields?

3POINT wrote on 2/11/2018, 11:01 PM

The original files are 1080p59,94 also called 1080p60. Then someone started converting them to 60p exactly and now they become also interlaced, very confusing. What's wrong with rendering them to 720p59,94 also called 720p60 with SAVC or MAVC?

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ingeborgdot wrote on 2/12/2018, 6:49 AM

If you're asking me, nothing that I know of. I just wanted to find out if there was a better format in VP15 than before.

fifonik wrote on 2/13/2018, 5:12 PM

I would not recommend Magix/Mainconcept encoder in VP12/VP13/VP15 as it might give you very poor rendered frames (Magix NVEnc is slightly better):

http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/131707 (full story)

Sony AVC gives you much more stable results (with the same bitrate specified). However, the render is slightly blurry and bitrate cannot be very high. Unfortunately, right now in VP15 Sony AVC encoder does not play nice with 32-bit pixel format.

I'm always do my final render using x264 encoder through frameserver.

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