Crashing when importing 1920x1080 @ 60i fps

Brandenburg wrote on 8/30/2014, 9:54 PM
I accidentally encoded my raw footage in 1920X1080 @ 60i fps....

It plays fine in Win Media Player and I can edit it in Movie Studio 10.

but...
When I load it into Movie Studio 13 Premium, everything crashes. It's as if Movie Studio 13 Premium can't handle mp4s at 1920X1080 @ 60i fps imported files.

Is this true? How can I use these files??

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musicvid10 wrote on 8/31/2014, 9:31 AM
1920x1080i 60 sounds like avchd.
Your version of Vegas should work with avchd.
Post your media properties using MediaInfo, as well as your version of Quicktime.
Thanks.
Brandenburg wrote on 9/2/2014, 4:59 AM
Thanks for the quick response -- it's appreciated.

I uploaded a copy of a troubled video to my OneDrive...you can find it here http://1drv.ms/1lFJ5Ru

Also, just to be sure, I reinstalled Quicktime....no effect. I have the same problem.

Here is the MediaInfo also. It's interesting as it says it's 29fps, but I know I used the 60i setting on accident. 30p has never given a problem. This file fails to work on Movie Studio Plat 14 and Premiere....but works just fine on my old Vegas 10. Honestly, I may be a bit confused by the settings, but still, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work.

Thanks much for your help!

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Dan\Pictures\2014\2014-08-26\20140826-Tobaccofield-14.MP4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : JVT
Codec ID : avc1
File size : 28.9 MiB
Duration : 17s 718ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 13.7 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2014-08-26 09:39:28
Tagged date : UTC 2014-08-26 09:39:28
©xyz : +38.2043-84.4243

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 17s 718ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 13.7 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 18.6 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.220
Stream size : 28.8 MiB (100%)
Title : DJI AVC
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2014-08-26 09:39:28
Tagged date : UTC 2014-08-26 09:39:28


Former user wrote on 9/2/2014, 8:20 AM
60i is 29.97fps.
Apercele79 wrote on 9/2/2014, 12:31 PM
My recording settings on my camcorder are as follows:
REC MODE: highest quality FX
FRAME RATE: 60i

When i created the AVCHD file, it looks fine; when i burned the bluray it looks all messed up, i have a feeling i screwed up the frames

I selected 1980x1080 and 60i because i felt the highest numbers would give me the best quality. But I noticed someone say here that for blurays the highest FPS should be 29. Can that be the reason why my video on the actual bluray looks all distorted?


Former user wrote on 9/2/2014, 1:11 PM
60i is the same as 29.97 fps. 60i means 60 fields interlaced, or 29.97frames.
Brandenburg wrote on 9/2/2014, 8:06 PM
Why is there a 60i and a 30p setting? Why would Movie Studio be happy with 30p and not 60i?

At least I know now to never film that way again :)

Markk655 wrote on 9/2/2014, 9:39 PM
Is the issue with a rendered movie or with the actual Blu-Ray? Are you rendering to your hard drive and then burning the disc? If so, does the intermediate file play OK?
Ivan Lietaert wrote on 9/3/2014, 1:01 AM
What do you mean with 'everything crashes'? Does Vegas crash, or is it that you don't like the flickering end result on the blu-ray?

Make sure you apply the 180-rule. When filming in 1080p 60i, your exposure should be 1/30, 1/60, 1/120 etc When you do this, you'll get a much more fluent end result with less flickering and hickups in the final result on blu-ray (or the internet). Also, avoid very short exposure (anything shorter than 1/400 will give a flickering result). Therefore, when filming in bright sunlight, you must use a nd-filter (built in or on screwed on the lens).

Mp4 is a delivery format; it exists so one can film it and watch (or put it online) it immediately without editing or rendering (hence the low bitrate). If you plan to do some editing or burning to dvd/blu-ray, you must film in avchd or mov, which has a much higher bitrate and will give a much better quality end product.
Brandenburg wrote on 9/3/2014, 4:59 AM
Not sure if you're asking me (original poster) or someone else.

As for me, I'm not getting to the point of blue ray or anything. The file is crashing on me immediately upon import into Movie Studio 13. It loads fairly well in Vegas Movie Studio 10, however.

here's a graphic to show what's happening

http://1drv.ms/1xa2MWD

VEGASNeal1 wrote on 9/3/2014, 9:31 AM
I downloaded your video and gave it a try, and see problems similar to what you describe.

My impression is that that file contains some peculiar or bad frames, altering settings in Movie Studio will not help. You will probably need to use some other tool (or Movie Studio 10, if you said it loads there) to transcode it to some other format before use in Movie Studio 13.
Brandenburg wrote on 9/3/2014, 11:41 AM
Thanks -- it's not just one file, but an entire series of files recorded the same way. I tried using Any Video Converter and, although I had the settings correct, it shrunk the file down to 320x240 or something tiny without any real reason.

I'm honestly perplexed.
Former user wrote on 9/3/2014, 12:25 PM
How did you encode the raw footage? What software did you use? Can you not use the raw footage?
Brandenburg wrote on 9/3/2014, 6:10 PM
The raw footage was recorded with a DJI Phantom 2 Vision+ drone. Normally I record flawlessly at 1920x1080 @ 29fps. This time, on accident, I recorded at 1920x1080 @ 60i. All the files at that setting are the ones giving me problems.
vkmast wrote on 9/4/2014, 2:37 PM
Brandenburg,
I downloaded your file as well and did not get it to work in the versions newer than Movie Studio Plat. 12 and Vegas Pro 11. Prompted by gret127's post and this old thread I run it in HandBrake (with default settings). The resulting file opens for me in the newer versions. Maybe someone will tell the most correct settings.
Former user wrote on 9/4/2014, 4:42 PM
I wonder if it is because there is no audio on that file?
VEGASNeal1 wrote on 9/5/2014, 10:01 AM
No, the lack of an audio stream is not a problem. You can create audio-less videos in Movie Studio using a customized render template, if you really want such a thing.

Instead it seems there's something peculiar in the video. Other tools like Apple's QuickTime Player (on Mac) and VLC (on Windows) have difficulty with the file also. They can play it, but not export anything very useful.

If it helps, use Movie Studio 10 and render the video out as AVCHD 1920x1080 60i, the resulting file will then work properly in Movie Studio 13.
Brandenburg wrote on 9/6/2014, 12:32 PM
Thanks everyone for the help. I was hoping it'd be something obvious....but it's just one of those things that falls through the crack, apparently. :)

I appreciate all the advice.

I'm just going to re-record the sections that are most important, re-encode anything in the bad files that I must have, and delete the rest......lesson learned.

Thanks again everyone!!