Have VP 10e - Pro Edit 15 has NO Native or Other Filters/FX??

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/19/2017, 12:01 AM

LATER EDIT: You can skip this opening post (for I have installed the trial for Vegas Pro Edit 15), and go to my follow up question/observation of differences of same frame in each prog.

I'll be calling Magix tomorrow for insanely slow download speeds (75-100 KB/sec. - yes, KB - started at normal 6-7 Mb./sec then just plummeted within less than two minutes) for trial version download (still snailing along, may take a long time...). But in the mean time:

I asked a while back which version I should upgrade to since I don't do 4K or 3D. Pro Edit was the answer. But in comparison chart with the two version above it, there is an "X" in the Filters and special effects row (scroll down on comparison page to see that).

As the veterans who know me know, I have a particular visual style that relies heavily on using fx. I've been using Vegas since v.6. I can't go "backwards" and not have my fx. This naturally would screw up existing v.10e project.

If I pay $50 more for Vegas Pro proper upgrade, it says Native plus others in that row.

Am I missing something here with Pro Edit version in terms effects?

Thanks.

~ Philip

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Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/19/2017, 2:07 AM

OK, after some Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio related install errors (just repaired them), finally got the same project side by side - one in VP 10e, the other as a copy of the original .veg in VP Edit 15. FX chains are still there in the latter listed under "VEGAS."

However there are subtle differences in comparing the exact same .veg frame between progs:

1. Colors are off even viewed in Best (Full). Particularly overlaid text such as in credits - over saturated. FX used in text (basic Sony text, nothing fancy): Color Curves, Color Corrector, Color Balance.

2. Effect (in this case "Rays" and "Glint") are not identical--not obnoxiously off--but still not the same) on media file - so seemingly not exactly following keyframes created in VP10e.

Just scratching the surface here since I've just breaking into Pro Edit 15, but this isn't a good sign for me and I'm hesitating upgrading.

If anyone has any feedback one why such things are happening as well as perhaps what Preferences or other in-Vegas settings I should change or match between the two progs, that would be much appreciated.

Seasonal sale may not last, so kind of time sensitive.

Thanks.

Marco. wrote on 12/19/2017, 3:30 AM

Do you use an 8 bit or a floating point project?

Any chance to share such a .veg project file?

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/19/2017, 5:19 AM

Never use/d 32-bit float (overkill for my kind of videos and system intensive), all .veg have always been in 8-bit.

Marco. wrote on 12/19/2017, 6:36 AM

Did you try turning GPU acceleration off in "Options/Preferences/Video" of Vegas Pro 15?

In Vegas Pro 10 there wasn't any GPU support yet while in Vegas Pro 15 GPU acceleration will be turned on by default if Vegas Pro detects an appropriate grafic device. And GPU processed FX may differ a bit from GPU processed ones.

Marco. wrote on 12/19/2017, 10:08 AM

That above said I just tested it on two systems and prepared a VP10 project with a color gradient and colored text above. I applied Color Curves, Color Corrector, Color Balance onto the gradient and Rays and Glint onto the text. Exported a PNG out of VP10 and saved the VP10 project.

Then opened this project with VP15 on a different system and exported a PNG with GPU turned on and off. Then compared all these three PNGs.

The results in VP10 and VP15 are absolutely identical. Not only visually but also checked via the four scopes.

VP10

VP15

So I doubt it's the FX as a cause but maybe the GPU processing may affect your results (even though on my system there is no difference between GPU on/off).
 

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/19/2017, 12:24 PM

Thanks for reply and duplicating color issue. I'll try the GPU acceleration off/on, but seems like your experiment yielded no difference, so same may occur on my end. I hope this isn't a lost cause...

Last - and this is probably a subject addressed in other threads - how much of an advantage does GPU acceleration provide, in real time, i.e. especially for Preview while working and rendering? I don't have a fancy vid-card, just a nVidia Geoforce GT 430.

Marco. wrote on 12/19/2017, 12:48 PM

The advantage of GPU acceleration depends on many things. When rendering I only use it for drafts (there are different settings for GPU boost for video processing and rendering). And different FX use GPU acceleration in different ways (or not at all). I don't know how much boost your grafic card could offer, in general it may cause the difference between seing only a slide show or a fluent video playback in the preview when certain FX are used.

Anyway – no chance to share one of your VP10 project files for a more precise analysis and comparison of the issue?
 

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/19/2017, 2:38 PM

Thanks. I get the "depends on..." thing for GPU. As to a .veg file to send you, what I may do is a mini one - such as just the credits part of the one I'm working on in which I noticed the over-saturation. But got other life stuff to do, so not top priority. I'm one of those "serious amateurs/semi-pro" types, not a pro and hence not on any deadline except my own. And all of my stuff is only for on-Net viewing. I'll come back when I have something for you. In the mean time I'll try to talk to Magix. NRN.

Marco. wrote on 12/19/2017, 2:42 PM

Yes, a small and simple demo project would do fine, whenever there will be time for.

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 12/21/2017, 3:25 PM

GOING BACK TO OPENING QUERY....

Looks like I'll have to postpone this until after Christmas for I can't get through to Magix at all - phones tied up. While the trial download seems to be the cheaper Pro Edit version which their comparison states has NO native fx or flters, my VP10 project opened up in the trial did show all fx/filters from that project.

However, sometimes the trials are the "full" versions of software, and so I'm concerned that once I paid for it, the no-native-or-other filters and effects will disappear.

That doesn't make sense for it shortchanges long time users of VP. So maybe what I see now will be there once trial is over. But again, not being able to get through to Magix to ask them in person to make sure is delaying my decision on this.

Just a comment. No reply necessary.

vkmast wrote on 12/21/2017, 4:00 PM

the trial download seems to be the cheaper Pro Edit version which their comparison states has NO native fx or flters

Not quite true. Please read this comment and the linked thread there. The trial and "full" version have the same native FX. They "ain't goin' nowhere" as a Zimmerman used to recite.