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Bengaz wrote on 5/20/2019, 2:37 PM

already off attached settings photo

Reset also the dynamic RAM preview to it's default 200 MB!!!

so many conflicting information. i watched a guide on youtube that said set this as high as possible!

@Bengaz I would agree, there is a lot of conflicting opinions. I would ask what exactly is "high as possible". Thing is, members suggestions are to help with your issue. If your settings is abnormal, perhaps it is worth trying @3POINT suggestion and bring it back down to '200' the default. When you set it up to '10,000' Vegas presented a warning, because your setting could be causing problems dependent on your system and project. You could also try setting the Dynamic RAM to '0', which has been known to solve some issues that other user have had with projects.

If we don't know what is causing an issue, sometimes we resort to trying different things, that may not seems like they would make a difference, but also sometimes they do and that in itself may lead to the why. On the other hand, sometimes the reason why isn't as important as just finding the fix and moving on with our project.

I didn't download your project files, but did download your source file sample and there is nothing in it that I can detect causing a render issue. I think maybe there is something in your program settings (such as the Dynamic RAM), in your system (such as a driver), or perhaps something in your .veg file.

For a test (after you change the Dynamic RAM to '200') I would start a new project. Load all the same source media files into the timeline and without any other changes, render it out and test for black frames.

Trying that 200 setting now thank you all kindly for helping I really do appreciate it.

 

BTW I have painstakingly edited and rendered 5 parts and all 5 have the same random black clip issues.

I have only experimented with part 1 thought for now obviously.

BRB....

 

 

 

Eagle Six wrote on 5/20/2019, 4:06 PM

@Bengaz I viewed your Part 1 and seen the blank part at 7:04. This probably will not solve your issue, but if you haven't done this in a while why not do a full reset (factory reset). Shut down Vegas. Hold down the 'Ctrl+Shift' keys while you double left click on the Vegas Pro desktop shortcut. When the small window appears check the box 'Delete all cached application data' and then left click on 'Yes'. This will reset Vegas to it's original installation default settings and also delete the pesky application data that gets cached and sometimes will cause Vegas Pro to do strange things.

You may also want to start Vegas with your project Part 1, then start another occurrence of Vegas Pro. Go back to your project and 'Copy' the entire timeline. Now switch over to the 2nd occurrence and 'Paste'. This will not copy anything you have applied at the track, media, or project level, but will copy everything on the timeline level. Render it out for a test. This test would eliminate anything with your project that may be causing the issue.

BTW: I like your Beemer, looks like maybe it is an S1000XR. I also like your motorbike footage. And, I agree, have no idea how your wife gets all that gear stored, great packing job!

System Specs......
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Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Bengaz wrote on 5/21/2019, 1:52 PM

@Bengaz I viewed your Part 1 and seen the blank part at 7:04. This probably will not solve your issue, but if you haven't done this in a while why not do a full reset (factory reset). Shut down Vegas. Hold down the 'Ctrl+Shift' keys while you double left click on the Vegas Pro desktop shortcut. When the small window appears check the box 'Delete all cached application data' and then left click on 'Yes'. This will reset Vegas to it's original installation default settings and also delete the pesky application data that gets cached and sometimes will cause Vegas Pro to do strange things.

You may also want to start Vegas with your project Part 1, then start another occurrence of Vegas Pro. Go back to your project and 'Copy' the entire timeline. Now switch over to the 2nd occurrence and 'Paste'. This will not copy anything you have applied at the track, media, or project level, but will copy everything on the timeline level. Render it out for a test. This test would eliminate anything with your project that may be causing the issue.

BTW: I like your Beemer, looks like maybe it is an S1000XR. I also like your motorbike footage. And, I agree, have no idea how your wife gets all that gear stored, great packing job!

Right doing all that now...Fingers crossed...

My son has a nice new fast PC also. If this fails I'm networking all the data to his PC and trying to render it there instead. (he has latest Vegas too).

My PC, although fast, hasnt been reinstalled (wiped) since I built it 3 years ago. Maybe its got some shit on it that is causing this issue.

I remember the days when I could edit video on my Pentium P100! That worked fine back in the day lol.

Yes S1000XR for touring and RSV4 RF for sunny days. Love my bikes. Wife hates Aprilia obviously ;)

Bengaz wrote on 5/21/2019, 1:56 PM

On a side note, unrelated, I see loads of youtube vloggers mobile editing on a laptop. How the hell is that even possible with the hardware demands of the current editing software nowadays?

j-v wrote on 5/21/2019, 2:01 PM

I also have no problem at all with laptop from signature where I'm present most of the day, I use my desktop not for trials a.s.o. but only for serious editing with VMS 16 Pl and Vegas Pro 16 build 424.

But i have a question to you.
Why you did not correct of change the subject of your questioning because I did not see by you any rendering to an AVI file but always to mp4 with the AVC H.264 codec?

Last changed by j-v on 5/21/2019, 2:06 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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Bengaz wrote on 5/21/2019, 2:21 PM

I also have no problem at all with laptop from signature where I'm present most of the day, I use my desktop not for trials a.s.o. but only for serious editing with VMS 16 Pl and Vegas Pro 16 build 424.

But i have a question to you.
Why you did not correct of change the subject of your questioning because I did not see by you any rendering to an AVI file but always to mp4 with the AVC H.264 codec?

sorry i made a verbal mistake, it was an mp4 file initially.

Bengaz wrote on 5/21/2019, 2:27 PM

@Bengaz I viewed your Part 1 and seen the blank part at 7:04. This probably will not solve your issue, but if you haven't done this in a while why not do a full reset (factory reset). Shut down Vegas. Hold down the 'Ctrl+Shift' keys while you double left click on the Vegas Pro desktop shortcut. When the small window appears check the box 'Delete all cached application data' and then left click on 'Yes'. This will reset Vegas to it's original installation default settings and also delete the pesky application data that gets cached and sometimes will cause Vegas Pro to do strange things.

You may also want to start Vegas with your project Part 1, then start another occurrence of Vegas Pro. Go back to your project and 'Copy' the entire timeline. Now switch over to the 2nd occurrence and 'Paste'. This will not copy anything you have applied at the track, media, or project level, but will copy everything on the timeline level. Render it out for a test. This test would eliminate anything with your project that may be causing the issue.

BTW: I like your Beemer, looks like maybe it is an S1000XR. I also like your motorbike footage. And, I agree, have no idea how your wife gets all that gear stored, great packing job!

That didnt work and I also rendered it in 30fps and still no luck...

Still randon clip blackouts.

One thing, when I was editing the footage, the preview screen kept going black and I had to continuously keep shutting down Vegas and restarting to get the preview working again.

 

 

Eagle Six wrote on 5/21/2019, 4:59 PM

@Bengaz I know this has to have become very frustrating to you, I'm glad you are hanging in there as success is most likely around the corner!

I am very interested in the results you get when you can view and render your Part 1 project in your son's computer. If that is successful we of course then know there is something in your computer that is most likely the cause. That in itself should be some relief to know it is not something you are doing or your source media.

Other than all the things that have been suggested and you report trying, perhaps you should try a clean uninstall of Vegas Pro and clean install. Instruction here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-do-a-clean-uninstall-of-vegas-pro--111205/

Also, have you tried a render using the Sony AVC render format with CPU only (if you previously reported doing this I apologize for losing track)?

Now that you report getting blank/black frames in Preview I'm suspicious of your GPU/video card (or driver).

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Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Bengaz wrote on 5/24/2019, 2:45 PM

OK, copied everything to my son's PC and rendered it there.

Worked 1st time no problem so it must lie with my PC.

Going to try a windows clean install as hasn't been done in 3 or 4 years.

In the meantime I did a sample of what the rendered video looks like.

Its extremely jerky! Nothing like the original Go pro footage.

Where am I going wrong with my settings and is it possible to get the same quality as the original as the rendered videos are all very jerky as the camera pans.

original

www.swiftelectrical.me/video/speed test.mp4

direct from Go-pro

www.swiftelectrical.me/video/GH010062.MP4

j-v wrote on 5/24/2019, 4:10 PM

I think it could be done while you render a Double NTSC file to a Double PAL file where 10 out of 60 frames must be deleted in a certain way.
The way that happens is configured by your projectsettings/Resample mode


and/or the fileproperties/swiches for the resample option.

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Chief24 wrote on 5/24/2019, 4:19 PM

Hi Bengaz,

I downloaded your "GoPro" footage you listed in your last post. I only have Vegas Movie Studio 16 Platinum Suite on the computer I am currently on, but a lot of the features and such are comparable to Vegas Pro.

So, watching both videos, yes, the "rendered" video was "blurrier" and a bit more jerky.

What I did, was once I imported the GoPro clip onto the timeline, was "right-click - Switches - Disable Re-sample". Then, went to "Render As", used your post as to the render settings , using the "Sony AVC/MVC - Internet 1920x1080-30p" then opened the "Customize Template", on the "Video Tab", changed the "Frame Rate" from "29.970 (NTSC)" to "59.940 (Double NTSC)" via the drop down. Rendered it out and it looked virtually the same as the original. No editing to anything on the video or audio, no added effects, titles, etc.

I believe the biggest thing for you to check is the "Disable Re-sample" (can set as a Default in the Project Properties dialogue - don't have any Vegas Pro on this current build so can't remember exactly where); plus you needed to change the "Rendered Frame Rate" to match the original clip. As I said, don't have Vegas Pro on this machine, so do not know if the Sony AVC/MVC Internet 1920-1080 has both 30p and 60p options. But if not, if I can change it in Movie Studio, you definitely can in Vegas Pro.

Hope that helped!

Happy Editing!

Mike "The Chief" O'Sullivan

Self Build: Asus ROG Strix X399-e Gaming with 1950X (be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro TR4) @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB & 970 EVO 1TB; Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (Magix Xara Photo & Graphics Designer Pro 16), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Samsung 28 Inch UHD 3840x2160; Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 16 Suite (167); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black & (2) 7 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

Eagle Six wrote on 5/24/2019, 8:09 PM

If these are destined for Youtube, if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't matter if the frame rate is NTSC or PAL, wherever you view them they will playback fine.

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64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Musicvid wrote on 5/24/2019, 8:28 PM

You are not mistaken.

 

j-v wrote on 5/25/2019, 3:09 AM

If these are destined for Youtube, if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't matter if the frame rate is NTSC or PAL, wherever you view them they will playback fine.

It is in this important while the O.P. renders from 59,940 to 50,000 and frames has to be deleted configred by the Resample Mode. If that is the wrong mode than the video can become jerkey while some frames are missing from the orginal file.
@Chief24
The O.P. does not render with the Sony AVC codec, but with MagixAVC and that one can be quicker and is much newer.

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Eagle Six wrote on 5/25/2019, 8:34 AM

If these are destined for Youtube, if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't matter if the frame rate is NTSC or PAL, wherever you view them they will playback fine.

It is in this important while the O.P. renders from 59,940 to 50,000 and frames has to be deleted configred by the Resample Mode. If that is the wrong mode than the video can become jerkey while some frames are missing from the orginal file.
@Chief24
The O.P. does not render with the Sony AVC codec, but with MagixAVC and that one can be quicker and is much newer.

@j-v the point was, if he is posting to Youtube, and he is acquiring in NTSC 59.940, he can render to NTSC 59.940, post to Youtube and regardless of who views it, there will be no frame loss or jerky playback.

I think @Chief24 suggestion was you use a different codec, to possibly eliminate any issues that Magix AVC may have introduced. Sony AVC has been reported to have higher quality that Magix AVC.

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Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Chief24 wrote on 5/25/2019, 9:06 AM

I was responding to what the OP had posted, in his Second Post of the thread:

Bengaz wrote on 5/18/2019, 11:54 AM

Which program and version number?

Which build?

What type and codec of the sourcefile(s)?

Which projectsettings?

Rendered to which AVI codec?

Thanks for reply,

Settings are: -

build 424

the sourcefiles are gopro 1080p @ 60fps

project is 1080p @ 60fps

disable resample

render to sony AVC/MVC 1080p @ 60fps

Audio: 128 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 59.940 fps, 1920x1080 Progressive, YUV, 16 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000

Yes, I did see he also was going to try Magix AVC. Going with and testing original issue as posted, with the Source File listed in later posts. Yes, I do know that MagixAVC is newer, a bit faster, smaller file size, though from My experience, that has not improved quality of My rendered files, from what I see. Of course, I also could need to get newer "Peeper" glasses.

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j-v wrote on 5/25/2019, 10:06 AM

OP had already found out what the issue was, his hardware and now he brought it over to another computer and made the switch with my latest Command him concerned Look here for that switch: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/output-avi-file-problem--115775/?page=2#ca718798

You are referring to the solved first questions.

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Bengaz wrote on 5/26/2019, 3:47 PM

Hi Bengaz,

I downloaded your "GoPro" footage you listed in your last post. I only have Vegas Movie Studio 16 Platinum Suite on the computer I am currently on, but a lot of the features and such are comparable to Vegas Pro.

So, watching both videos, yes, the "rendered" video was "blurrier" and a bit more jerky.

What I did, was once I imported the GoPro clip onto the timeline, was "right-click - Switches - Disable Re-sample". Then, went to "Render As", used your post as to the render settings , using the "Sony AVC/MVC - Internet 1920x1080-30p" then opened the "Customize Template", on the "Video Tab", changed the "Frame Rate" from "29.970 (NTSC)" to "59.940 (Double NTSC)" via the drop down. Rendered it out and it looked virtually the same as the original. No editing to anything on the video or audio, no added effects, titles, etc.

I believe the biggest thing for you to check is the "Disable Re-sample" (can set as a Default in the Project Properties dialogue - don't have any Vegas Pro on this current build so can't remember exactly where); plus you needed to change the "Rendered Frame Rate" to match the original clip. As I said, don't have Vegas Pro on this machine, so do not know if the Sony AVC/MVC Internet 1920-1080 has both 30p and 60p options. But if not, if I can change it in Movie Studio, you definitely can in Vegas Pro.

Hope that helped!

Happy Editing!

Mike "The Chief" O'Sullivan

I tried this method and the rendering was even worse than before.

seems every second there is a big jump.

I have reinstalled windows today and all seems fine so far.

Just need to get my settings correct as the video looks terrible :)

Bengaz wrote on 5/27/2019, 5:37 AM

OK I used this guys settings: -

My video worked (rendered) excelent. The gopro footage is still little bit jerky but I can't see if I can ever get this buttery smooth, probably impossible. Please let me know, I'll upload a link and let me know if you think the footage is smooth enough please.

 

 

 

Bengaz wrote on 5/27/2019, 5:41 AM

OK, I'm getting there but the youtube video looks absulutely terrible.

Where am I going wrong guys, I appreciate your time.

Here is the video I created to upload which looks sort of ok compasred to the youtube video...

www.swiftelectrical.me/video/part1.mp4

Bengaz wrote on 5/27/2019, 6:11 AM

OK, I'm getting there but the youtube video looks absulutely terrible.

Where am I going wrong guys, I appreciate your time.

Here is the video I created to upload which looks sort of ok compasred to the youtube video...

www.swiftelectrical.me/video/part1.mp4

I've just viewed this on my phone and it looks amazing. I must check my pc when I get home. Wonder after the reinstall my drivers are not correct?