returning to Vegas from Windows jumps to top tracks. Annoying.

JMacSTL wrote on 8/18/2022, 10:28 AM

I did a search for this and could not find anything on it: when going to, say, a folder of photos and doing something outside of Vegas (this applies to Vegas 17-20 that I'm aware), and then when I click or tab back into Vegas, no matter where I was, say on track 17 (documentary with 20 video tracks on top of 6 audio track), it jumps back to the top few tracks, forcing me to scroll down to where I was before I left Vegsa. Is this normal? Can it be turned off? Thx.

jmm

jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.

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Jack S wrote on 8/18/2022, 10:44 AM

@JMacSTL I can't repro that. I think I'm trying to repro it correctly.
I created 8 tracks and scrolled down to the 8th track.
I placed an event on that track.
I switched to another app (this forum) and switched back to VP.
Nothing changed.

It does the same whether I have 'Close media files when not the active application' enabled or not.

My system
Genshin Infinity Gaming PC
Motherboard Gigabyte H610M H: m-ATX w/, USB 3.2, 1 x M.2
Power Supply Corsair RM750X
Intel Core i7-13700K - 16-Core [8P @ 3.4GHz-5.4GHz / 8E @ 2.50GHz-4.20GHz]
30MB Cache + UHD Graphics, Ultimate OC Compatible
Case Fan 4 x CyberPowerPC Hyperloop 120mm ARGB & PWM Fan Kit
CPU Fan CyberPowerPC Master Liquid LITE 360 ARGB AIO Liquid Cooler, Ultimate OC Compatible
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5/5200MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB
MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB - Ray Tracing Technology, DX12, VR Ready, HDMI, DP
System drive 1TB WD Black SN770 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD - 5150MB/s Read & 4900MB/s Write
Storage 2 x 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM
Windows 11 Home (x64)
Monitors
Generic Monitor (PHL 222V8) connected to GeForce RTX 4060 Ti
Generic Monitor (SAMSUNG) connected to iGPU

Camcorder
SONY Handycam HDR-XR550VE

Former user wrote on 8/18/2022, 11:06 AM

@JMacSTL Hi, sorry no prob here either - Windows10 - V19 - 16 tracks of random 4k

PS. Thinking it might be Windows refreshing, I tried right click - Refresh, i tried changing project settings in Vegas, I even went to Taskmanager - Windows Explorer - End Task 😁 then Run new task - Explorer.exe & when everything came back Vegas timeline & cursor were where i left them,

 

 

JMacSTL wrote on 8/18/2022, 11:23 AM

@Jack S You'd probably need to have a lot more tracks than that. With only 8, you can fit all or most of them in the windows without having to scroll down to see more. I've got 20 video tracks and 6 audio tracks so I'm scrolling vertically a lot. See what happens if you add some media to those tracks, and then duplicate them all twice, giving you 24 tracks. . Then click over to a file explorer window, and perhaps something else, and then back to Vegas. I've posted a video below to show what happens. It doesn't matter if your 'active' track was the one at the bottom or the top.....still does it no matter what. I sometimes drag from a file explorer window onto a track in Vegas b/c it's just easier. But even if I dragged from a Explorer window inside Vegas, I would still have to scroll down to my active track first. Now do this hundreds of times per day and you'll understand my frustration. Otherwise, loving Vegas 20.

jmm

jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.

Former user wrote on 8/18/2022, 12:52 PM

@JMacSTL 3840 x 2160 project with 44 UHD files, messed with, copied 3 times making 69 tracks, dragged in a jpg, watched a video on VLC, went into Taskmanager, reload Vegas forum... cursor still where it was in Vegas,

Have you considered it's your system? as you say in your signature 'Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system.' -

Google says - 'Intel Core i7-3770 was a desktop processor with 4 cores, launched in April 2012'

Jack S wrote on 8/18/2022, 4:37 PM

@JMacSTL I've watched your screen display and it looks as if you're scrolling to the bottom track without actually selecting the track or anything in it. So presumably the active track is still the top one. You go to another app then return to VP and VP then returns to the active track.
Have you tried selecting an event on the bottom track or selecting the bottom track header after scrolling, then switching to another app? Does VP still return to the top track?

My system
Genshin Infinity Gaming PC
Motherboard Gigabyte H610M H: m-ATX w/, USB 3.2, 1 x M.2
Power Supply Corsair RM750X
Intel Core i7-13700K - 16-Core [8P @ 3.4GHz-5.4GHz / 8E @ 2.50GHz-4.20GHz]
30MB Cache + UHD Graphics, Ultimate OC Compatible
Case Fan 4 x CyberPowerPC Hyperloop 120mm ARGB & PWM Fan Kit
CPU Fan CyberPowerPC Master Liquid LITE 360 ARGB AIO Liquid Cooler, Ultimate OC Compatible
Memory 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5/5200MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB
MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB - Ray Tracing Technology, DX12, VR Ready, HDMI, DP
System drive 1TB WD Black SN770 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD - 5150MB/s Read & 4900MB/s Write
Storage 2 x 2TB Seagate BarraCuda SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM
Windows 11 Home (x64)
Monitors
Generic Monitor (PHL 222V8) connected to GeForce RTX 4060 Ti
Generic Monitor (SAMSUNG) connected to iGPU

Camcorder
SONY Handycam HDR-XR550VE

jetdv wrote on 8/18/2022, 5:41 PM

It would be much better if this was a screen capture where we could see the whole screen. For example, are there any child tracks, grouped tracks, any relationship with another event we can't see from that particular event?

I haven't been able to get this to happen but it may require much more information to determine what is happening and why.

daniel-t wrote on 8/18/2022, 7:08 PM

I’m using V19 on Windows 11 with a project that has 84 tracks, and I have never seen that happen. And I’m back and forth from other applications constantly!

JMacSTL wrote on 8/19/2022, 6:59 PM

@Jack S  When I leave Vegas I was already on a lower track. I made sure to select it as the active track and after I return to Vegas, it jumps to near the top of tracks, and THEN I scroll back down to my active track. The upper track is not the active one. I did this twice in my video to show what happens.

@Former user  no, it's not my system. The computer is fine and plenty fast, especially b/c I offload most of the video stuff to the video card/GPU. Vegas 11 doesn't do this to me (yes, I still use that sometimes). It started with Vegas 17 for me, but that doesn't mean that that's where it started. It's most confounding, eh?

@jetdv No child tracks, grouped, or anything other than just individual tracks. This occurs also when I'm working with Soundly, the SFX application. I can drag from it into Vegas onto a track, but often when I attempt to do this, Vegas again jumps to a top track and my audio tracks (where I want to drag the sound effect/wav file onto) are way down the list, so it just frustrates the heck outta me.

jmm

jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.

Musicvid wrote on 8/19/2022, 8:44 PM

This occurs also when I'm working with Soundly, the SFX application. 

Does this also occur on Vegas projects where Soundly is not being used?

Reyfox wrote on 8/20/2022, 6:58 AM

@JMacSTL, you commented that your computer is fine plenty fast. Your CPU is 10 years old and is a 3rd gen CPU. To know what generation an Intel processor is, look at it's first number(s). Looking at what are the minimum specs for VP20, it requires at minimum, a 6th gen CPU.

Of course it works fine with VP11, they are the same "age", and back then the i7 3770 was a great CPU.

You mention that you "offload" most of the video stuff to the GPU, how? Also, you have Dynamic RAM at "0". When I was doing the Vegas Benchmark test, initially had DRP set to "0". Adding some DRP increased the performance (ever so slightly) of timeline playback and rendering.

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Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.5.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

Dexcon wrote on 8/20/2022, 7:25 AM

I agree with @Reyfox ... your CPU is ages old in computer terms. Recommended minimum specs for Vegas Pro 20 (19 and possibly even 18) are https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/specifications/#productMenu

It's perhaps time to think about a new computer to run 2022 programs. The good news is that you could transplant the 2060 Super GPU over to a new computer without having to go to the expense of getting a new GPU (assuming desktop).

 

 

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

JMacSTL wrote on 8/20/2022, 1:19 PM

@Reyfox  Yes, Dynamic RAM is zero. I love the fact that so many people are eager to help me figure this out, however, performance (other than this quirk) of Vegas (I also run ProTools often, and it runs great on this PC) is fine. Why would an older CPU cause this issue? I mean, if my system was laggy, or the screen was taking longer to refresh, or if my CPU usage during heavy Vegas use (according to Task Manager's Performance meters) was close to maxing out, except perhaps when rendering.....then sure, I'd say "old machine, let's build a new one". But none of these things is true, so I think the CPU being 'older' isn't the issue. I meet or beat the system requirements.

CPU 6th Generation Intel Core i5 (or AMD equivalent) or better with 2.5 Ghz and 4 Cores

@Musicvid  Yes it occurs other than when using Soundly It occurs whenever I tab or click out of Vegas and then back in whether to a browser, or file mgr, or Soundly or anything else.

 

BTW: I reinstalled Windows 10 about 6 months ago and reinstalled all apps so the OS is cleaner than it's ever been.

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jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.

jetdv wrote on 8/20/2022, 2:13 PM

I'd still like to see the full screen capture instead of just the bottom part of the screen from a phone shot. I'd also like to see the preferences and also see if there are any custom commands running. And what is the screen layout? It appears to have only tracks - which you can get/remove by pressing F11.

I'd also like to know if this happens on a new project. If not, what is the minimum that must be done to make it happen on a new project.

DMT3 wrote on 8/20/2022, 2:14 PM

It is not related to your older hardware. I am running 19 on a very old processor and I cannot duplicate your error. My screen returns to how I left it. Sorry I can't help.

I see you have the current weather displayed on your screen, just strictly a wild guess but could that be forcing some kind of screen refresh?

Reyfox wrote on 8/20/2022, 2:16 PM

@JMacSTL, no your CPU does not meet or beat the current minimum required for current Vegas Pro. There is more to a CPU and just Ghz speed, which I think you are alluding to. The die size and internal architect is much different between a 3rd gen and a 6th gen. Even the CPU socket is different.

The 6th gen ones have better built in graphics (much more powerful), they have faster processors, an overall better processor architecture, more efficient and hence consumes much less power. In short, 6th gen is nearly 40-50% faster than 3rd gen, on an average, across all aspects in addition to using faster DDR4 memory, and IPC gains over the 3rd gen.

Audio tools don't require the hardware overhead that a frame accurate non linear video editor requires. The more current the editor, the more modern the toolset needing a more modern computer. I run Reaper on a bottom level laptop that is old which also runs Behringer X32 mixing software. A piece of cake. If I try to run any editor that I have, including consumer editors or an old version of Vegas Movie Studio 15, it will just crawl doing simple 1080HD editing.

When you refer to that it is working fine with Vegas, you will have to refresh my memory on which version of Vegas you are referring to. If your old version of Vegas, I would think it should work fine. They are the same era. And depending on what you are doing, even current Vegas will run, as long as you keep things simple. Very simple.

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.5.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/20/2022, 2:50 PM

Cannot duplicate on a system with an even older Intel 980x cpu. But I only have vps 13, 14, and 16-20 on it and am not familiar with Soundly. Suggest trying a Vegas Reset on startup.

JMacSTL wrote on 8/23/2022, 12:00 PM

RESOLVED: It was my PreSonus Faderport. Even when the very bottom track is highlighted in Vegas and the Faderport is active on that bottom audio track, when tabbing out of and back into Vegas, the Faderport is causing the jump back to near the top of the stack o' tracks. Oddly, it's not jumping to the top AUDIO track, just up near the top video tracks. Time to research that, now. Thx for everybody's insights. jmm

jmm in stl

Windows10 with Vegas 11 Pro (most recent build). Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 3.90 GHz, 32GB ram, separate audio and video disks. Also Vegas 17 Pro on same system. GPU: NVDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER. Dynamic RAM preview=OFF.