Vegas Pro 17 (421) Magix AVC/h.264 Intel QSV rendering is SLUGGISH!

arthur7 wrote on 3/28/2020, 7:51 AM

Since Intel reprogrammed their driver for their onboard GPU the performance is OK in decoding via Preview Windows but unusable for encoding. The export is less than 4 hours and renders 2-3 frames every second! The footage is from MP4 or MTS files.

Please is there any fix i do not know???

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j-v wrote on 3/28/2020, 9:09 AM

@arthur7
How can we know what you don't know?

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arthur7 wrote on 3/28/2020, 10:21 AM

I ask for other users experience about this matter and if there is a solution, for example to uninstall the latest intel drivers and install an old one...

Musicvid wrote on 3/28/2020, 10:27 AM

Your GPU is not being utilized. At all. You are running on CPU.

Start with BIOS, and work your way down from there.

Please post your solution, as others may benefit.

j-v wrote on 3/28/2020, 10:32 AM

 for example to uninstall the latest intel drivers and install an old one...

For my part no, I have the latest and they render better than the older ones, no faulty or bluried frame anymore. Velocity is also due to the type of sourcefiles, if they are f.i. difficult to decode because they are long, more than 2K and HEVC coded.
Those type of sourcefiles render 4 times faster with my Nivida 1660 GPU compared to my Intel 630 GPU.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/30/2020, 10:28 AM

@arthur7 You might try making adjustments in the Nvidia control panel in case the Nvidia driver is intercepting calls to the Intel igpu. In the Manage 3D Settings section on the Global Settings tab, try setting it to default to "integrated graphics." If that works but messes up using the machine for gaming, you could instead create an exception on the Program Settings tab specifically for Vegas but you might have to add Vegas to the program list if its not there already. Also make sure Vegas is set to use the Nvidia card, however, in Preferences, Video and that Enable QSV Encoding & Decoding is checked in Preferences, General.

walter-i. wrote on 3/30/2020, 4:14 PM

In the Manage 3D Settings section on the Global Settings tab, try setting it to default to "integrated graphics."

@Howard-Vigorita
I use Nvidia GTX 1660 Super, can you please tell me, which entry I should set it to "integrated graphics"?

Former user wrote on 3/30/2020, 6:31 PM

you should go into your bios and turn off integrated graphics. You don't need intel graphics with vp17. Your nvidia card can do all the work

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/31/2020, 2:20 AM

@walter-i. Looks like I have a section in my Nvidia control panel that's missing in yours...

j-v wrote on 3/31/2020, 3:40 AM

The difference is use of desktop or laptop .
@Howard-Vigorita your tip does not help by editting on a desktop, for a laptop it is a possibility.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/2/2020, 1:23 PM

I only have one associate with an Nvidia pci plugged into a motherboard like my Asus motherboard and his Nvidia control panel looks just like it does on my Dell laptop. My guess is that if the igpu shows up in the Windows Task Manager and the Vegas video-config page, but not the Nvidia control panel, that there must be some sort of disconnect between the Nvidia and Intel drivers. Suggest a reinstall of the Intel igpu driver from your motherboard manufacturer. You might want to also check that all your motherboard bios and chipset drivers are up to date while you're at it.

Former user wrote on 4/2/2020, 8:58 PM

Also his intel graphic is hd530. that came out 4 or 5 years ago? To use QSV you used to have to plug the motherboard video into a monitor for it to work. Working on that premise, if QSV used to work and it doesn't now maybe he needs a particular intel driver that did allow hd530 to work without monitor plugged in, or he actually did have a monitor plugged into hd530. I don't present that as primary possibility just another idea

arthur7 wrote on 4/3/2020, 5:45 AM

Also his intel graphic is hd530. that came out 4 or 5 years ago? To use QSV you used to have to plug the motherboard video into a monitor for it to work. Working on that premise, if QSV used to work and it doesn't now maybe he needs a particular intel driver that did allow hd530 to work without monitor plugged in, or he actually did have a monitor plugged into hd530. I don't present that as primary possibility just another idea

Its a laptop i work on because i am always on the move, also to those you suggest the use of nvidia card, after half or an hour of editing ALWAYS it causes Vegas to crash and i believe is because of the bad buffering management...

j-v wrote on 4/3/2020, 6:56 AM

You selected much available RAM memory for Previewing through Dynamic RAM Preview. Do have a special reason to go much higher than the default 200 MB?

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

TheRhino wrote on 4/3/2020, 8:53 AM

On my 9900K BOTH the onboard Intel 630 iGPU & VEGA 64 GPU work together to speed-along MP4 rendering. On V16 & older versions of V17 I had to use the Intel 6373 driver (win64_25.20.100.6373) but the latest release of V17 works well with the latest Intel iGPU & AMD drivers. As others have said, I have to plug in an external monitor on the motherboard's iGPU connector so that Vegas recognizes QSV is available.

Interestingly, if I disconnect the VEGA & use QSV for renders, the iGPU-alone renders are horribly slow.... If I plug-in the VEGA, install drivers, & run QSV or VCE renders, the renders are incredibly fast. On that RedCarTest posted on these forums I get 13 seconds if I choose VCE & 14 seconds if I choose QSV. On task manager, both the iGPU & VEGA show they are utilized during renders whether I chose QSV or VCE.

Note that some motherboards & some gaming laptops may restrict using the iGPU when the Nvidia/AMD GPU is enabled. For instance, my Evoo 17 laptop enables both GPUs whereas my son's HP Omen laptop disables the iGPU. Therefore, even though my Evoo & son's Omen have the SAME I7-9750H 6-core CPUs, and similar Nvidia graphics, my Evoo renders MP4 faster...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

arthur7 wrote on 4/4/2020, 6:50 AM

You selected much available RAM memory for Previewing through Dynamic RAM Preview. Do have a special reason to go much higher than the default 200 MB?

Of course, when i need to preview in realtime the result of a plugin on my timeline i need about that much of memory to watch 10-15 sec of unstattering footage with effects applied on!! (Shift+B)

arthur7 wrote on 4/4/2020, 6:58 AM

On my 9900K BOTH the onboard Intel 630 iGPU & VEGA 64 GPU work together to speed-along MP4 rendering. On V16 & older versions of V17 I had to use the Intel 6373 driver (win64_25.20.100.6373) but the latest release of V17 works well with the latest Intel iGPU & AMD drivers. As others have said, I have to plug in an external monitor on the motherboard's iGPU connector so that Vegas recognizes QSV is available.

Interestingly, if I disconnect the VEGA & use QSV for renders, the iGPU-alone renders are horribly slow.... If I plug-in the VEGA, install drivers, & run QSV or VCE renders, the renders are incredibly fast. On that RedCarTest posted on these forums I get 13 seconds if I choose VCE & 14 seconds if I choose QSV. On task manager, both the iGPU & VEGA show they are utilized during renders whether I chose QSV or VCE.

Note that some motherboards & some gaming laptops may restrict using the iGPU when the Nvidia/AMD GPU is enabled. For instance, my Evoo 17 laptop enables both GPUs whereas my son's HP Omen laptop disables the iGPU. Therefore, even though my Evoo & son's Omen have the SAME I7-9750H 6-core CPUs, and similar Nvidia graphics, my Evoo renders MP4 faster...

In other words the iGPU is not utilized and therefore i believe we need an answer from Magix tech support about that matter!