This link scared the heck out of me:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bought-ms18-since-it-said-it-was-an-upgrade-to-vegas-ms-17-refund--130455/#ca811622

If Magix's support becomes like their marketing philosophy, indeed that would be depressing.

never TRUST a company that lacks moral and basic business ethics and here my finger point at eyes of MAGIX. they intentionally deceived and mislead everyone (even deceived forum moderators) with Movie Studio 18 yet still have the nerve to insist on the wrong by refusing to refund people who ask for it in less than 2 hours after buying the rubbish software. I can not believe such a company scam people with very obvious scam yet have the effrontery to stick on its wrong and refuse to fix its own mistake! What will stop such cheater company from doing the same thing with Vegas Pro sooner or later? Any respectful company would retreat right away and try its best to fix its image by apologizing to customers that were deceived and refunding them if they want .. any company but magix where greednes blinded them and they see nothing but money . Vegas has no future with this company and i am almost sure it will be discounted sooner or later .. the end of Vegas Movie Studio was just the beginning

So definitely yes it is the right time to learn something new that has bright future and for me I started with DaVinci Resolve since it is totally free and its looking very modern which i like. i saw many reviews and comparisons and it is also so powerful and many Premiere users switch to it. If I master it I might buy the Studio version

I feel moderator might delete this post but after what magix did i don't care and i just want people to know the true face of this evil company which i used to respect once

This link scared the heck out of me:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/bought-ms18-since-it-said-it-was-an-upgrade-to-vegas-ms-17-refund--130455/#ca811622

If Magix's support becomes like their marketing philosophy, indeed that would be depressing.

by the way what magix did is illegal besides it unethical so i am sure sooner or later they will be forced by law to refund people but even refunding people will not forgive their evil intentions as they already lost my trust and most people trust when they refused to refund . so i am done this this company and done with vegas pro

@True-H

Thanks for the reply and opinion. Sure thing, I've seen this sort of thing happen before (just look at Skylum Software/Luminar (and they continue to do it). Even Abobe pissed off a lot of their customers. Magix is certainly not the only company to do this. But, from a marketing viewpoint, it was pretty stupid. I'm sure their theory is that whatever customers they lose, they'll get back in new ones with the Magix product lineup. But it's a big gamble and the "Internet" is not always kind to these sort things. So, Magix would be wise to make things right.....if that's possible. Users would view that favorably and word of mouth would give the product line a lot of sales.

I'm not sure what to think about Magix. What would be interesting is to know just how many users they have for their products. I mean Adobe Premiere Elements is huge. Maybe knowing those numbers would tell us how well the company is doing. Really, if a company is failing then it makes sense that they would begin to sell off their least used products...........especially if they are owned (2018) by a private equity firm (Capiton). Typically, private equity firms are ruthless in that they just want the money and do so by running existing companies into the ground.

However, what my main concern in doing an upgrade to Vegas Pro is that 1} Magix would abandon it..... and 2}....Zero support as Windows matures.

I feel moderator might delete this post

@True-H No, because despite your post being a rant most moderators probably agree with you. Also your views have already been expressed by others. If you read some of the other threads you might get a bigger picture. It was the Vegas team that decided to discontinue VMS to concentrate on Vegas Pro as they just don't have the resources they used to have. Magix's subsequent behaviour was a surprise and shock and my personal feelings are the same as yours. But I'm not abandoning Vegas.

@Former user Your VMS17 won't stop working. You can continue using it. In the future when it falls behind with the latest technology you could consider upgrading to Vegas Pro. Unless Magix change the upgrade pricing you should not find it an expensive move and easy to use as it's basically the same as VMS plus much, much more. I doubt that Vegas Pro is going to disappear. Worldwide it's too big a player.

@EricLNZ

Thanks Eric. You've been here awhile and I appreciate your reasoning.

While the decision is/was made by the Vegas team, they probably still get funding via Magix (and therefore the main leverage company that owns Magix). I wouldn't think it's as independent as it seems. Either way, you have to make money to pay salaries and if a product isn't doing that (or you "think" you have a duplicate lineup), then you have to find what to cut out.

In any case, it's a business decision and "we" all have to decide if we are okay with that.

Agree with you on (still) using VMS, although I suspect that Windows 11 will render it incompatible in the future. Just a guess. Upgrading to VPro would simply prolong the attrition. All software eventually becomes dated. So, in essence, it's really the company that continues to develop the software that integrates into the OS....and.....that is expensive for any company. Personally, I think this is why so many companies are going web based software (like Adobe Creative Suite, MS Office and many others).

Ah, but that is a lot of philosophical talk.

Mike

Agree with you on (still) using VMS, although I suspect that Windows 11 will render it incompatible in the future.

@Former user Why do you suspect that? I'm using programs that come from XP days. I even have one installed that I purchased when using Windows 95.

Agree with you on (still) using VMS, although I suspect that Windows 11 will render it incompatible in the future.

@Former user Why do you suspect that? I'm using programs that come from XP days. I even have one installed that I purchased when using Windows 95.

 

I'm with you Eric, it's DOS 5.0's apps that sometimes problematic LOL..

@EricLNZ actually it was @True-H who felt that a moderator may delete his comment.

@True-H we know very well by now that you are "done with this company and done with vegas pro" as you have stated your case quite a few times on this forum. We respect your decision, but please note CR #3 on cross posting of which you have been reminded already here. Btw, I don't think any of your (15 or so) posts or comments on the same topic have so far been hidden (we don't "delete" them) even though some of the most recent ones probably should have been as duplicates.​​​​​​

@EricLNZ actually it was @True-H who felt that a moderator may delete his comment

Tks @vkmast but it's weird. I had spotted my error and corrected it before pressing "Comment" but somehow it changed back! I'll try amending it again.

EDIT: It took 3 tries but it amended eventually!

@EricLNZ seems this issue of tagging correctly has happened to others. I had a PM discussion recently with a dev who had experienced just the same as you.

Back to the topic at hand.

I have Vegas Pro. And from reading the Pro forums, it looks like VP will be around a while longer. At least VP19, which gives you another year of using a Vegas product. As posted above, VMS 17 works and will most likely work with Win11. There has to be a pressing "I gotta have" reason for me to go to Win11. Win10 will be supported for the next few years. You also have the have the hardware to be able to use Win11, leaving a lot of people out of that "upgrade".

With Vegas Pro, you have a more advanced, yet familiar editing interface with more features. There are youtube videos that show the difference between Pro and Movie Studio.

Side note: If Magix decided to slide in Video Pro X to a Vegas Pro user as an "update", you'd see a lot of VP users moving on to other software. Most have a couple on their computers already that they use in conjunction with VP. Resolve is hardware intensive and a steep learning curve. Elements? Never highly regarded in reviews.

Thanks for the catch

"Windows 11 will render it incompatible in the future."

Poorly worded on my part. I'm speculating a lot based on Vegas's core programming, future 3rd party plugin support, existing and future bugs and, importantly....security. On a "static, isolated existing Windows 10 machine, if it works now {as-is) it would work in the future.

@Reyfox

Thanks.

Magix's market share (approximately $50m USD) is miniscule compared to other NLE software companies. Vegas Pro does have a strong following, but in terms of professional, lags well behind Premiere Pro, Davinci and the usual players. Personally, I think it fits nicely into the prosumer types of NLE's with it's strong areas. At times better than others in that user category. However, it's GUI is aging.

Support wise there is no comparison, because if you have an issue, Adobe and Davinci + some others fully support (all) their products. You can be back up and running within minutes (not to trash this great forum).

Again, parts of my comments are just an opinion, thinking out loud and off topic.

@Reyfox

"There has to be a pressing "I gotta have" reason for me to go to Win11. Win10 will be supported for the next few years."

2024 to be exact. That's when OS security ends. Most pre 2017 machines will not make the Win11 software and hardware requirements. However, I'm certain that users will find ways around that issue.

@Former user GUI is subjective. To "me", it's like having a fancy looking desktop. Looks nice, but functions just the same as the "old" one. But then again, "looks" can impress someone into looking further at the software. I have to admit, I never tried Vegas for a long time because it "looked" ugly. But after actually using VP14Edit for a couple of weeks, I was hooked and upgraded to VP15Suite.

When you say "fully support" their product, what do you mean? I have Resolve Studio 17. The early release took FOREVER to get past looking for "panels" that weren't there even though in the settings I set it as such. It wasn't "minutes" to get this fixed, it was a couple of months or more. Vegas does have updates, just as the "others" do.

There are other editing options out there. If you feel that Vegas doesn't support or meet your needs, you can freely move to a different editor. Most of the users here have more than one editor on their computer, using the right tool for the right job. Ever see a real carpenter with only one hammer?

@EricLNZ i am not pissed off that magix discontinued vms yes i am sad its discontinued but i am pissed off they mislead everyone to show Movie Studio 18 is the next upgrade version of VMS 17 thats why i am very mad especially they are trying to justify their wrong doing and reject refunds

@Reyfox you are right resolve is not as easy as vegas pro so i am still using vegas pro and taking my time to learn resolve. but i am sure sooner or later i will learn resolve be able to use it like vegas

@Former user regarding support you r right

i am getting very good support from balckmagic technical team though i am using the free version of resolve so imagin what i get f i go with paid version

and true this forum provide best support for vegas not magix own support

@Reyfox

"There has to be a pressing "I gotta have" reason for me to go to Win11. Win10 will be supported for the next few years."

2024 to be exact. That's when OS security ends. Most pre 2017 machines will not make the Win11 software and hardware requirements. However, I'm certain that users will find ways around that issue.

 

any pc that can run win10 can technically run win 11 especially if it has tpm chip

even if tpm not present many users still managed to trick win 11 to install as if tpm was present

so win 11 will run on most if not all win 10 machines

any pc that can run win10 can technically run win 11 especially if it has tpm chip

even if tpm not present many users still managed to trick win 11 to install as if tpm was present

so win 11 will run on most if not all win 10 machines

...that remains to be seen.... M$ has back tracked on older hardware compatibility. My "old" Ryzen 7 1700X machine is not supported according to M$. My not so old current machine is. Curious as to "how" users "trick" Win11 to run on older machines....

any pc that can run win10 can technically run win 11 especially if it has tpm chip

even if tpm not present many users still managed to trick win 11 to install as if tpm was present

so win 11 will run on most if not all win 10 machines

...that remains to be seen.... M$ has back tracked on older hardware compatibility. My "old" Ryzen 7 1700X machine is not supported according to M$. My not so old current machine is. Curious as to "how" users "trick" Win11 to run on older machines....

yes microsoft can say whatever they want and that older computers are not compatible yet many users still managed to install win 11 and run it fine on incompatible computers 😂

2 of my freinds did this also and managed to install win 11 on very old computers without tpm thuogh tpm is most requird feature to install win 11

how they tricked win 11 i dont know and dont care but you can see many youtube videos that explain the tricks if you are intersted