There is also the Hitfilm LUT plugin and the Looks3 plugin. Both show a better playback performance then eht Vision Colors Plugin, but do not come for free.

Can someone please tell us if it's possible to install the VisionColor LUT plugin with VP14 if you haven't got a previous version installed?

Sure that is possible. The plugin works with VP14 and does not need any earlier versions.

Sure that is possible. The plugin works with VP14 and does not need any earlier versions.

I know it works. I have it working here. But as it's advertised as a plugin developed for Sony Vegas, I wanted to check (before recommending it to people) that the installation won't fail if you attempt to install it without Sony Vegas, because it can't find Sony Vegas.

Thanks for that. Unfortunately, the vision color does not offer anything more than applying the LUT in 14. No mix slider or similar controls other than an interpolation type selection. Hoping magic bullet will be updated soon.

Also since their site is under construction, you can access the plugin here: http://visioncolor.cartloom.com/shop/category/4/plugins

Yes if you shoot in Slog then you will need a LUT plugin such as the ones mentioned above or something like film convert where you choose the profile of your specific camera to apply a look

A LUT ("look up table") is a matrix of adjustments that can be applied to footage to give it speedy and consistent correction or "grade". You don't NEED a LUT plugin for log footage. You can just grade it how you wish, for example using the FX in VEGAS such as Color Curves etc., and you can of course save those adjustments as FX presets and VEGAS Filter Packages (FX chains) for future use. It might be useful to apply a LUT (e.g. a Log-to-Rec.709 LUT for a typical video look) to give you a reference point to aim for with your color correction/grading, and you could do that with the VisionColor plugin.

And the vision color plugin uses LUTS for input for creative looks or as a reference to start with. Without the proper LUT there's nothing to refer to so in a way you do need one when shooting log.

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And the vision color plugin uses LUTS for input for creative looks or as a reference to start with. Without the proper LUT there's nothing to refer to so in a way you do need one when shooting log.

I'm saying you can apply a LUT with the VisionColor plugin as a reference if you like, then take it off again when you have achieved what you want with FX. Here's a Color Curves FX Preset I made myself for Panasonic V-log footage. No need for a LUT.

There are no hard rules sir. You can do whatever you like to get the job done. If I shot on an Alexa, FS7 or with the mentioned Sony a99ii SLOG, I'd rather apply the correct LUT built specifically for the camera in order to neutralize colors before other plugins,  rather than mess around with several effects trying to get there, and I'd probably finish in half the time.

I have preordered a Sony a99ii which records S-Log2 & S-Log3 gamma which will always need grading. Does Vegas v14 have a plug-in suitable for that or is that why a LUT plug-in is needed? Any recommendations?

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There are no hard rules sir. You can do whatever you like to get the job done. If I shot on an Alexa, FS7 or with the mentioned Sony a99ii SLOG, I'd rather apply the correct LUT built specifically for the camera in order to neutralize colors before other plugins,  rather than mess around with several effects trying to get there, and I'd probably finish in half the time.

Right, there are no hard rules. One does not need a LUT plugin at all and can develop the x-log footage also with filters like color curves, color correction or levels - or a combination.

However the advantage of LUTs is that you are much faster, and that the may work in a more precise way compared to a full manual approach. You can also use ACES in Vegas and there are some color corrections available within Vegas (but for example only slog2 but not slog3), but that was extended by Balzers also for example for v-log l of the GH4/DVX200.

The third approach would be to use tools like Resolve or Catalyst Prepare to make a grading of the footage, export that to formats like Cineform or XAVC I, import that in Vegas to finalize the editing. That has the advantage that you will not suffer in Vegas by lower playback performance, but has the disadvantage that it is a more time-consuming workflow.

Please be aware that x-log makes limited sense with 8bit, but more sense with 10bit or better.

There is also the Hitfilm LUT plugin and the Looks3 plugin. Both show a better playback performance then eht Vision Colors Plugin, but do not come for free.

I tried to test both, as the (free) VisionColor LUT plugin is terribly slow. But when installing MB Looks (which works fine, though in demo mode only), I noticed the "LUT Buddy" as active, unlike the other components of the 3.1 suite. I have no idea how you use the LUT Buddy or where it's got installed on my system - anyone knows?

Piotr

LUT buddy only works for Adobe product.

https://www.redgiant.com/products/magic-bullet-lut-buddy/compatibility/

Can someone please tell us if it's possible to install the VisionColor LUT plugin with VP14 if you haven't got a previous version installed?

While I cannot speak about the install (since I do have a previous version installed), I can tell you that neither the word Sony nor the word Vegas appears anywhere inside the plug-in itself, so it does not check whether it runs in Vegas, let alone Sony Vegas.

Therefore, at least in theory, it should work with any video editor that supports OFX plug-ins. Especially since it is installed in C:\Program Files\Common Files\OFX\Plugins, which is the default directory for 3rd-party OFX plug-ins and not any Vegas (or Sony)-specific directory.

I installed the Visioncolor LUT plug-in, and it did seem to work with vegas 14, but was very very slow, so I uninstalled it.

An alterntive for cineform users is to apply your LUT in Gopro studio. Performance doesn't appear to be affected, but I haven't done any serious testing.

Performance of the previe is better if you uses Hitfilm but even Looks3, compared with the Visioncolor LUT plugin.

Thanks for that. Unfortunately, the vision color does not offer anything more than applying the LUT in 14. No mix slider or similar controls other than an interpolation type selection.

True, but Vegas allows you to do your own mixing. Place the footage you want to apply the LUT to on a track of its own. Duplicate the track. Now you have two identical tracks. Apply the LUT to the original track (which should be right above the duplicate). Now mix the two tracks by lowering the oppacity of the original track.

And yes, that’s extra work, but if the VC LUT plug-in is the only way to apply a LUT, it works.

Adam

Is there an updated place to get the LUT plugin? The links listed above seem to point to a site that no longer exists.

A link here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/logarist-color-correction-for-vegas-pro--105118/#ca667501

Vegas Pro 15 now has LUT plug-in by its' own.