Copy transition from first event to all following events?

RgVideo wrote on 4/25/2022, 7:09 PM

Using MSP16 on Win7.  Working on video with multiple clips.  Trying to copy a transition (Cross Effect - Blur) from first transition to following ones.  According to various sources I should:

-Select first event (with transition)
-Right click and select COPY
-Select all remaining events
-Right click and select PASTE EVENT ATTRIBUTES

Doesn't work. No transition copied to remaining events.  Same thing with VPro19.  What am I doing wrong or is there a different way to do what I want?

Thanks,

Ralph

 

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Gid wrote on 4/26/2022, 2:21 AM

@RgVideo In MEP Premium i can add transitions to all events with 2 clicks so when i came to Vegas I looked into this ages ago, Vegas doesn't do that but adding Excalibur will let you, @jetdv will help you, & @jetdv any chance of a video of how it's done as i'm still interested but never got around to getting Excalibur, Thanks,

http://www.jetdv.com/excalibur-vegas/

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Jack S wrote on 4/26/2022, 3:35 AM

@RgVideo You missed one important step.

After selecting all the events, you must group them by pressing G.

Paste Event Attributes will then paste the transition to all events.

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EricLNZ wrote on 4/26/2022, 5:31 AM

@Gid To my knowledge Excalibur only works with Vegas Pro, not Vegas Movie Studio.

Dexcon wrote on 4/26/2022, 6:07 AM

I've tested this on both my laptop and desktop computers using VP19 b550. Both with and without grouping applied - it didn't seem to make any difference - the transition will copy but only if the transition is applied as the 'in' transition on the event. Even copying an event with an 'in' and an 'out' transition, the copy will only apply the 'in' transition.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

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Gid wrote on 4/26/2022, 6:16 AM

@EricLNZ I have VP19 but the OP has MS by the looks of it, good for me unlucky for him, Thanks 👍

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At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G
 

Jack S wrote on 4/26/2022, 10:23 AM

@Dexcon Yes, I've just tested with a sequence of clips in MSP16 and you're correct. The events don't need to be grouped for the copy to be good. I was thinking about other operations, like expanding a group of events, where the events do need grouping.

I'm puzzled about you reference to in and out transitions. The in transition on the first event and the out transition on the last event don't get pasted, but all the others do. Are we talking about the same thing?

My system
Dell XPS 8700 (I know, it's a little outdated)
Windows 10 Home (x64)
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16GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti display adapter
System drive Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB

Camcorder
SONY Handycam HDR-XR550VE

jetdv wrote on 4/26/2022, 12:21 PM

@Gid, as was mentioned Excalibur will only work in VEGAS Pro so the OP would not be able to use it. But to add transitions, select the events containing the the crossfades, go to the Events tab, select one or more transitions and click on "Add" to move them to the bottom box. Those transitions will be randomly added across all selected events. Naturally if you want the same transition on all of them, you would only select that one transition.

DMT3 wrote on 4/26/2022, 12:46 PM

@jetdv comments makes me wonder are there crossfades already that can be changed to the pasted transition, or is the OP starting with cuts only?

RgVideo wrote on 4/26/2022, 1:45 PM

OP here. Gotta rush off. My initial transition on first 2 clips was made with:

- right clip transition area

- Select Transition then Vegas Cross Effect

- Select Blur and Fade Range 1.0 sec

After doing COPY and PASTE ATTRIBUTES I think the transition type is actually copied but not the cross fade curves, so it's not visually apparent.

Thanks for the comments. More later

 

 

jetdv wrote on 4/26/2022, 4:15 PM

@jetdv comments makes me wonder are there crossfades already that can be changed to the pasted transition, or is the OP starting with cuts only?


@DMT3 good question. There would need to already be crossfades for the copy/paste to work.

Dexcon wrote on 4/26/2022, 5:53 PM

@Jack S

I'm puzzled about you reference to in and out transitions. The in transition on the first event and the out transition on the last event don't get pasted, but all the others do. Are we talking about the same thing?

What I found was that if the event to be copied only had an 'out' transition (i.e. only a transition at the end of the event to the following event on the timeline), the copy/paste process did not work and the transition did not replace the crossfades on later highlighted events. However, if the event to be copied had an 'in' transition (i.e. a transition at the start of the event), the copy/paste process did work and the 'in' transition did replace the crossfades on the later highlighted events.

If the event to be copied had both 'in' and 'out' transitions, the copy/paste process worked for the 'in' transition but not for the 'out' transition. In the following screenshot, transition A (the 'in' transition for the green event) will copy/paste, but transition B (the 'out' transition for the green event) will not copy/paste.

 

Last changed by Dexcon on 4/27/2022, 12:24 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

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Jack S wrote on 4/27/2022, 4:27 AM

@Dexcon I still can't repro what you're seeing. This is a screen recording of copy then paste transition in MSP16.

Is this not what you're seeing?

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Dexcon wrote on 4/27/2022, 4:47 AM

@Jack S  ... Yes ... what you have demonstrated is what I am saying works. With the blue event that you've copied, the transition is the 'in' transition - in other words, it is the transition at the head of the event that has been copied.

Give the same process a try but instead copying the first event - the grey event - where the transition as at the tail of the event. With the transition at the tail of the event being copied, this is where I am finding that copy/paste doesn't work.

Also, try copying an event with a transition at both the head and the tail of the event and paste it to another event that has no transitions applied (but obviously with fades or crossfades in place). I am finding that only the transition at the head of the event will copy - but not the tail transition.

I'm using Vegas Pro 19 which, as the OP mentioned at the outset, also experiences the same problem as with MSP16.

I just tested this in MSP13 on an older desktop - it's exactly and precisely the same result as with VP19.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 10 Home

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

Jack S wrote on 4/27/2022, 9:22 AM

@Dexcon I see what you mean. It would seem that this behaviour is due to the apparent fact that a cross-fade always occurs at the start of an event, as can be seen in this image.

Therefore any transition copied will always paste to the beginning of the 'selected for paste' event.
Does that make sense to you? This would seem like expected behaviour.

My system
Dell XPS 8700 (I know, it's a little outdated)
Windows 10 Home (x64)
3.1 GHz Intel Core i5-4440
16GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti display adapter
System drive Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB

Camcorder
SONY Handycam HDR-XR550VE

Dexcon wrote on 4/27/2022, 6:43 PM

G'day @Jack S ... I suspect that its possibily a long existing bug mainly because the 'Selectively Paste Event Attributes' context window in VP19 has a transition option which reads 'Pre and post Transitions':

... which suggests that it is the intention for the tail transition to be copy/pasted. On the other hand, it could equally be that the inclusion of 'post' in that option is in error because the original intention and program coding going back to Sony days was to copy/paste only transitions at the head of the event.

Copy/pasting a transition to another event should still work even if that other event doesn't have a fade/crossfade currently in place. It's then just a matter of dragging the event's fade handle to reveal the pasted transition.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 10 Home

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

Jack S wrote on 4/28/2022, 4:38 AM

Hi @Dexcon . That all makes sense. Thanks for your explanation.

My system
Dell XPS 8700 (I know, it's a little outdated)
Windows 10 Home (x64)
3.1 GHz Intel Core i5-4440
16GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti display adapter
System drive Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB

Camcorder
SONY Handycam HDR-XR550VE

Gid wrote on 4/28/2022, 10:53 AM

Just thought i'd mention MEP will add transitions (any transition) to All or All after the cursor regardless of whether there is a gap or an already applied crossfade, I can also choose the duration of one, all or just the selected, why Vegas doesn't have this simple feature is beyond me, it's been part of MEP for as long as i can remember n i have had it since 2004.

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RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
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(Windows & programs on one, temp project files on the other)
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Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 mounted Fans
2 x Seagate IronWolf 12TB NAS Hard Drives for file storage.

I'm 53, I've been a UK joiner for 37yrs, apprentice trained & time served, I make videos about my work & post them on Youtube so that i can share what I've learnt over the yrs,
https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G
 

vkmast wrote on 4/28/2022, 11:06 AM

Just thought to remind that MEPs are now Movie Studio(s) 2022. Even though that is a totally different product from MAGIX, the serial number of VEGAS MSP should be valid for upgrade pricing.

Of course test with a free trial first to avoid disappointment in case you find that is not for you. And you'd need a Win 10 or 11 OS.

@RgVideo