They shouldn't disappear. Sometimes the bin "tree" gets closed but the sub bins should be there when you expand it next time on opening your project.

Suggest you describe what you are doing step by step to help identify what might be happening.

Hi EricNZ and thank you for the response.
I think I described above step by step, but I'll try be more clear. The bin "tree" always defaults to the normal, Stills, Video, Audio folders. All of the sub folders I add disappear after I close the project and reopen. They are not minimized, but gone.

Right click on media bin - add media bin
I name the new folder/bin and drag it to the "video" bin/folder, now I have a sub folder under the "video" bin/folder. I will drag a video clip in to the new sub folder under the video bin. Everything works as expected at this point, until the project closes and I re-open it. The project will open with only the default bins/folders showing. Nothing minimized.

I'm quite familiar with windows folders and subfolders and have been editing audio for a number of years. I have never seen this behavior anywhere else. I looked around to see if there was a separate option to "save folder layout" or some such thing, but could find nothing.

Thank again for the response.

Mike

Unfortunately I've only MS14 not Pro15 so cannot be definite. But MS looks very similar to Pro. With MS it's a right click on "Media Bins", which appears under All Media. A "Create New Bin" option appears which produces a "New Media Bin" ready for renaming as a sub folder under Media Bins. You can drag it up to a new position in this folder if you have several. Perhaps Pro15 is slightly different as per your steps.

Hopefully Cornico or someone will be along in a few hours.

I just tried this on Version 12 and it does the same as you describe. I think the bug is that it allows you to drag the bin to the video bin. I don't believe you were supposed to be able to create a bin within a bin, only under the master tree. If you notice, if you right click on the VIDEO bin there is no option to create a new bin. So there are maybe two bugs (or program by design errors) working here. 1: That you can drag the bin 2; That you can't create a sub bin.

Cornico, that is not the problem. Try to make a SUB bin under the bin labeled VIDEO that already exists.

Yes, but if you create a bin in the MASTER bin, you can drag it to the VIDEO bin, which is what the OP is doing. It appears to work this way normally until you close the program and reopen, then the bin that you drug to the VIDEO bin and have been editing from is gone.

Yes, it is a bug if it allows someone to do something that is not allowed. 😆

I would call it a bug in the same way if I hit a specific key that causes a program to crash. Even though the manual does not state "don't hit this key". If hitting a key causes a crash, it is a bug. This falls into that category, the manual does not state that you CAN'T do it.

This bug reminds me of this incident. "Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded [name removed] $200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded [name removed] $2.7 million in punitive damages. ********** was 80% responsible for the incident and [name removed] was 20% at fault." So [name removed] hit a specific cup that caused it to spill the liquid. The "manual" did not warn enough, so watch out Magix...

Heh. Yeah it gets crazy. But I can see how this can happen. The bins appear to be folders so you expect them to act like any other folder meaning you think you can have subfolders, etc. The biggest problem here is the OP created a project with a bin and continued editing. Once they reopened the project, all of his source video was gone because the bin that was created was gone.

I did speak incorrectly about one thing, the Imported files are still in the video bin, but the sub-bin I created is not there so any potential organization may be lost. I will post a video showing what I think the OP is attempting in a little bit. I did not get that far in my first test. The video stays in the bins, just not the new bins.

This is the sub bin problem as I understand and am able to replicate.

@LpMike75

Another option is to use the file system to organize the media and then use something like Vegasaur to import the media into the bins in Vegas. This way you can reference your organization outside the scope of a single Vegas project.

In my workflow for slideshows, I use LightRoom to identify the media and then export it resized into a folder structure that makes sense for the project. I can then use Vegasaur to import the media from the folder structure into a bin structure that matches in the Vegas project.

Thanks for the response guys. David-tu, your video is exactly what I was talking about. Coming as a noobie who has used lots of software and windows programs in the past, organizing your project clips in this fashion seems the most obvious answer, I am surprised this program is not designed to work this way.

mbarton, thank you for the suggestion, I will look in to Vegasaur.

 

LpMike75, as you see you can create new bins and they will persist. You just cannot create them under the existing VIDEO, AUDIO, or STILLS bin. You can create them and rename them under the master bin heading.

Added to the Known Issues post, and reported [Ticket#2017110817003999].

Note that a media bin is also lost if it's dragged to the "By Type" folder, at the same level as the Audio, Video & Stills folders.

I received a reply from Support that included this:

"This has been escalated to DEV/QA for resolution in the future application update."

That's great news Nick, thank you for your time.

I've looked into this problem a little bit. The main issue is that the folders in question, Audio, Video, and Stills, were intended to be fixed or static, autopopulating as new media is added to a project and not intended to be altered by the user. The Media Bins folder was where the user was to be able to create their own customized organization of the media for a project.

The bug, as designed, is that you should not be able to drag a custom folder into the static Video, Audio and Stills folders as these are not persisted. This as been speculated as the case by some, and is in fact the case. A user defined folder structure in Project Media is intended to be done either through the tags in mechanism or the Media Bins folder.

As far as organization to in the Project Media window, I would say, in general, we have a lot to do to try to make organizing media for more efficient. We have some redesign work we would like to do here, but, as with all features, it will have to be prioritized in importance with all the other needs and requests.